furnace fan motor start problems
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Hi, Lubriplate(aka white grease ) or Liquid wrench which contains Teflon. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi all, my furnace fan has been having problems lately, basically it makes somewhat of a growling sound on the initial start for about 3 or 4 seconds then works fine. this also occured about 2 years ago and i was able to take the motor apart, clean the shaft and bearings, lubricate, then reassemble and worked fine. yesterday i took it apart, went to the local hardware store and was recommended a product something like wd-40 but supposedly leaves a thin teflon coating, unfortunately i forgot what i used last time. after putting it back together it worked fine for 12 hours, now it is starting to growl again… further, i just turned off the breaker thinking maybe it wouldn’t start and burn up the windings. anyone have any clues as far as what lubricant to use? i realize the real answer is to replace the motor but i am planning on replacing my furnace this fall. thanks in advance dennis meissner
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first of all, thanks for all the responses. I tried to get that royal purple, or lubriplate but was unsuccessful. I did buy some synthetic disk brake lube (something like permatex ultimate brake lube) that was told it was basically the same as lubriplate. I again painstakenly took my blower motor apart and lubed the bearings on both ends. seems to be running great! not even a hint of a growl… starts right up! think the next time I take it apart I will be replacing the entire furnace. Dennis
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi all, my furnace fan has been having problems lately, basically it makes somewhat of a growling sound on the initial start for about 3 or 4 seconds then works fine. this also occured about 2 years ago and i was able to take the motor apart, clean the shaft and bearings, lubricate, then reassemble and worked fine. yesterday i took it apart, went to the local hardware store and was recommended a product something like wd-40 but supposedly leaves a thin teflon coating, unfortunately i forgot what i used last time. after putting it back together it worked fine for 12 hours, now it is starting to growl again… further, i just turned off the breaker thinking maybe it wouldn’t start and burn up the windings. anyone have any clues as far as what lubricant to use? i realize the real answer is to replace the motor but i am planning on replacing my furnace this fall. thanks in advance dennis meissner
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hi all, my furnace fan has been having problems lately, basically it makes somewhat of a growling sound on the initial start for about 3 or 4 seconds then works fine. this also occured about 2 years ago and i was able to take the motor apart, clean the shaft and bearings, lubricate, then reassemble and worked fine. yesterday i took it apart, went to the local hardware store and was recommended a product something like wd-40 but supposedly leaves a thin teflon coating, unfortunately i forgot what i used last time. after putting it back together it worked fine for 12 hours, now it is starting to growl again… further, i just turned off the breaker thinking maybe it wouldn’t start and burn up the windings. anyone have any clues as far as what lubricant to use? i realize the real answer is to replace the motor but i am planning on replacing my furnace this fall. thanks in advance dennis meissner
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The time for lube is over… First of all…it sounds like you never had a lube problem, but a cap problem. Since I can not check it from here, and have your description to go on only, its clear to me that if you DID have a lube problem, you ruined all hope of saving the motor when you did not use the correct oil, 20W. We replace about 10 to 15 motors a year that someone used that crappy teflon sh*t in the hopes of making the motor last. Since you are planning on replacement of the furnace in the fall…why dont you call the company out that is going to do the work, and if they have any sense of customer apprication about them, the cost of the motor spent today, will be kicked back to you in the fall.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi all, my furnace fan has been having problems lately, basically it makes somewhat of a growling sound on the initial start for about 3 or 4 seconds then works fine. this also occured about 2 years ago and i was able to take the motor apart, clean the shaft and bearings, lubricate, then reassemble and worked fine. yesterday i took it apart, went to the local hardware store and was recommended a product something like wd-40 but supposedly leaves a thin teflon coating, unfortunately i forgot what i used last time. after putting it back together it worked fine for 12 hours, now it is starting to growl again… further, i just turned off the breaker thinking maybe it wouldn’t start and burn up the windings. anyone have any clues as far as what lubricant to use? i realize the real answer is to replace the motor but i am planning on replacing my furnace this fall. thanks in advance dennis meissner
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As far as motor lubricant, the best is Royal Purple’s Synfilm ISO 68 synthetic. You could also use 20W non detergent motor oil or even 3 in 1’s electric motor oil. DON’T USE WD40!!! It’s a penetrant vs. a lubricant. I also wouldn’t use any marketing gimmick w/Teflon. That sound could be a result of bearing wear or could be noise from a dirty centrifical switch inside the motor. (The centrifical switch signals to the furnace that the motor is turning and it’s OK to energize the heating elements. Without it, your furnace could overheat in the event of motor failure.) Motor bearing’s wear in a very distinctive pattern. If you can change the wear pattern by altering the position of the bearings, than you might get a little more life out of the motor. It’s dependent on the motor buy maybe you can rotate one sleeve bearing 180 degrees. That will throw the eliptical wear pattern out of whack and will close up the excessive clearance and perform like a new bearing set. (However, it won’t last near as long as new!!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi all, my furnace fan has been having problems lately, basically it makes somewhat of a growling sound on the initial start for about 3 or 4 seconds then works fine. this also occured about 2 years ago and i was able to take the motor apart, clean the shaft and bearings, lubricate, then reassemble and worked fine. yesterday i took it apart, went to the local hardware store and was recommended a product something like wd-40 but supposedly leaves a thin teflon coating, unfortunately i forgot what i used last time. after putting it back together it worked fine for 12 hours, now it is starting to growl again… further, i just turned off the breaker thinking maybe it wouldn’t start and burn up the windings. anyone have any clues as far as what lubricant to use? i realize the real answer is to replace the motor but i am planning on replacing my furnace this fall. thanks in advance dennis meissner
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As far as motor lubricant, the best is Royal Purple’s Synfilm ISO 68 synthetic. You could also use 20W non detergent motor oil or even 3 in 1’s electric motor oil. DON’T USE WD40!!! It’s a penetrant vs. a lubricant. I also wouldn’t use any marketing gimmick w/Teflon.
Agreed… That sound could be a result of bearing wear or could be noise from a dirty centrifical switch inside the motor.
ahhh….if its a direct drive….not a chance. Dont know of a single one that is PSC that uses those in HVAC application on direct drive. (The centrifical switch signals to the furnace that the motor is turning and it’s OK to energize the heating elements. Without it, your furnace could overheat in the event of motor failure.)
And even in the case of direct drive….no. Electric units use a set of time relays, or other devices to start the electric strips. As far as overload protection there is a little deal called a micro-temp fuse link that is common in electric units, or other form of heat limit switch that will cut the unit off should there be a lack of fan, or, lack of airflow. Motor bearing’s wear in a very distinctive pattern. If you can change the wear pattern by altering the position of the bearings, than you might get a little more life out of the motor. It’s dependent on the motor buy maybe you can rotate one sleeve bearing 180 degrees. That will throw the eliptical wear pattern out of whack and will close up the excessive clearance and perform like a new bearing set. (However, it won’t last near as long as new!!)
Or roar like a sob due to shaft wear.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi all, my furnace fan has been having problems lately, basically it makes somewhat of a growling sound on the initial start for about 3 or 4 seconds then works fine. this also occured about 2 years ago and i was able to take the motor apart, clean the shaft and bearings, lubricate, then reassemble and worked fine. yesterday i took it apart, went to the local hardware store and was recommended a product something like wd-40 but supposedly leaves a thin teflon coating, unfortunately i forgot what i used last time. after putting it back together it worked fine for 12 hours, now it is starting to growl again… further, i just turned off the breaker thinking maybe it wouldn’t start and burn up the windings. anyone have any clues as far as what lubricant to use? i realize the real answer is to replace the motor but i am planning on replacing my furnace this fall. thanks in advance dennis meissner
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