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I didn’t mean to insinuate that we were going "cheap." That’s why we decided against the Monitor type system. It is inexpensive, but I don’t know that it would adequately heat the whole house. As a matter of fact, what we are considering is the hot water baseboard heat. It is not "cheap," but it is "affordable." We all have budgets we must work within. Thanks for trying to set me straight, though. I appreciate your comments. Helene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It seems to me, you’re not going to solve the problem by looking for another cut-rate, cheap-o solution. If there is a cheaper way to "do it right" wouldn’t everybody do it? I.O.W, someone decided long ago to go with cheap-to-install, but horrendous to run electric baseboards. In the 80’s many home & condo builders I wired for also decided to go with the "cheaper" solutions (for THEM) of installing heat-pumps in an area where electric rates were the highest in the nation. (Instead of allocating the required space and clearances for oil burners & tanks, or installing the space & piping necessary for far cheaper to run natural gas heating) 500.- to 800.- monthly electric bills were not uncommon in these units. The phrase "why is it there’s never enough time or money to do it right, but always enough time & money to do it over" couldn’t apply more here. Oil burners and either forced-air or hot-water baseboard systems are considered the norm everywhere in this country wherever natural gas via public utility isn’t available… and even in a lot of places where it is available. Thanks to everyone who gave me information. Now it will be up to me to do the research in our area to see what is available affordable. Helene My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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It seems to me, you’re not going to solve the problem by looking for another cut-rate, cheap-o solution. If there is a cheaper way to "do it right" wouldn’t everybody do it? I.O.W, someone decided long ago to go with cheap-to-install, but horrendous to run electric baseboards. In the 80’s many home & condo builders I wired for also decided to go with the "cheaper" solutions (for THEM) of installing heat-pumps in an area where electric rates were the highest in the nation. (Instead of allocating the required space and clearances for oil burners & tanks, or installing the space & piping necessary for far cheaper to run natural gas heating) 500.- to 800.- monthly electric bills were not uncommon in these units. The phrase "why is it there’s never enough time or money to do it right, but always enough time & money to do it over" couldn’t apply more here. Oil burners and either forced-air or hot-water baseboard systems are considered the norm everywhere in this country wherever natural gas via public utility isn’t available… and even in a lot of places where it is available. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks to everyone who gave me information. Now it will be up to me to do the research in our area to see what is available affordable. Helene My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene

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Thanks to everyone who gave me information. Now it will be up to me to do the research in our area to see what is available affordable. Helene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Thanks for your input. I have check out the website, but we may go with a heating system that puts heat into each room. Helene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I work for an oil company here in Maine. We sell and install Monitors and propane units sold by Rinnai. We also repair and clean the Monitors. The "oil guys" who maintain the Monitors work full time during the summer cleaning the heaters. When us "gas guys" install a Rinnai we don’t go back. We have units that have been installed for over 7 years and are virtually maintenance free. Here are a few facts might change your mind. Monitors should be cleaned every couple of years. To do it properly can run as much as $500. If you install a Monitor, you must also buy and install a tank. If the heater is higher than the tank, You will need a lift pump. Cost: $400-$500. They typically last about 6-7 years. I think their website is rinnaiamerical.com. My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Rich, thank you for all the helpful information. We do have propane in our area, but I haven’t looked into the cost. I don’t know of anyone who uses it for heat, so I am wondering about that. I’ll have to do some research. Helene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand only water source heat pumps are recommended in our area (in fact we have one in our home. We love it, but it was very expensive to install.) I don’t think it could be put in an attic, though. My understanding (and you can see I’m no expert) is that our climate is too cold for the other type of heat pump. Maybe the newer ones are more efficient. I really should do some research on that. Helene here is a good question for you… Why not a heat pump? Putting one in now, in an older home, with limited crawlspace access, so…guess where its at? The attic. The attic would be a possibility, but we don’t have gas in our area. We would need something that burns oil or kerosene. My husband has also discussed digging a partial basement big enough for a furnace for a hot water baseboard heat system. I don’t know what the cost of this would be, but it would probably give a more uniform heat and would provide hot water also. Oh decisions!! Do you have an attic? If so and there is even a few feet of headroom then it is possible to put in a gas furnace along with an AC unit. Unlikely as it seems, some manufacturers make furnaces than look like a "normal" unit you’d see in your basement but set up to lie on its side. In an attic installation, ducting is usually pretty simple. Take a look at http://www.ci.sunnyvale.ca.us/community-dev/building/furnace.pdf to see what one jurisdiction has to say about installing one. — *** E-mail return address will not work! *** Please reply in group or through my website. John McGaw Knoxville, TN, USA http://johnmcgaw.com . My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– what about propane? is it available? if not, then you are truly in the boonies! you could consider a horizontal in the attic, then central  air would be a definate and plausible possibility ductwork could be run to every room , and no more fuel oil, kerosene , smell or hassle! this year, in the midwest, propane stayed nearly steady in price at 1 dollar a gallon , many suppliers will guarantee a certain price if you sign a contract for so many gallons, usually a thousand. do you burn at least this much in oil or kerosene? finally , with propane installed, you could wean your water heater off of electric and go with gas, much cheaper to heat water and could go with a gas range, oven, further reducing your electric consumption, if you are truly in a rural area , i suspect you pay higher than average electric rates, i am an hvac contractor , if this were my home , i would look very hard at getting propane , and going with the above plan . if this were in my neck of the woods (central illinois) my best ballpark guess at doing this install would be 6 to 7 thousand , most propane suppliers will furnish the tank, copper piping and regulators necesarry to get the fuel to the outside of the foundation all you really pay for is the fuel. the equipment remains their property, unless you purchase it from them the other side to this is, if you elect not to purchase the equipment then you are bound by law to purchase propane only from the company that owns the tank, regulator ,etc, if you own the equipment then you can buy propane from whoever you choose good luck , hope this helps rich dawson

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Heater placement is important. The Rinnais have modulating valves and fans. As the area heats, the unit slows down to prevent hot spots. Two units properly sized and located can heat an entire house. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. Just a one additional question–There are no fans or air vents or anything to carry the heat to other rooms? We’re in NY State (way up north) and our winters can be very cold. I’m concerned about having to have the living room roasting to get the kitchen or bedrooms warm. Do you see any problems with that? Don’t you? — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

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Thanks for the information. I would never have thought about the moisture problem (hopefully my brother might have) and I didn’t realize about the oil based paint. Thanks again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for replying. You’re right about the insulation. What we probably will do is put on new vinyl siding with insulation underneath. The vinyl that is on there is about 32 years old. The insulation isn’t bad as is, but the house was built with 2×4 construction and so the insulation isn’t sufficient for electric heat. Apart from the discussion of your heating requirement; a comment if I may. Our house is 2 X 4 and when we were building (31 years ago) I was not able, as on our first house (42 years ago), to install the insulation myself. It was therefore not done with same knowledge care and attention to the inside vapour barrier by two excellent ‘just carpenters’. The 42 year old house is still in good shape with it’s fourth owner reporting no rot and reasonable heating costs; presumably due to the original insulation and vapour barrier work. We heated that house for 11 years with an oil heater; I seem to recall that oil then cost about 28 cents a gallon! We are adjacent to the North Atlantic in eastern Canada; while temperatures here are not normally that low, it is windy and the winter lengthy. So in this all electric house our heating costs are also high; fortunately electricity isn’t too expensive; YET! And I welcome some leakiness, ventilation and air changes in order to reduce the dangers of condensation. Suggest that you get advice about adding insulation ‘on the outside’. I’m no expert but suggest it might be advisable to get some well qualified technical and locally knowledgeable advice about adding insulation to your older style home. Many/most older homes lack a vapour barrier on the warm ‘inside’ surfaces of the walls etc. So warm and therefore moist air can permeate out through the walls and condense on cold stuff within the wall; this can result in mildew, rot, wet insulation, or moisture on the inside of vinyl or metal siding. My neighbour had a whole wall rotted out on due to this and nearly ‘lost’ the end of his house! There are wood frame homes here that are over 100 years old, impossible to heat to modern levels but they have not rotted out because moisture can escape out through the old style construction. Good quality ‘oil’ based paint is said by some to be a partial vapour barrier, in comparison to ‘water based’ paints commonly used.  A suggestion anyway!

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Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. Just a one additional question–There are no fans or air vents or anything to carry the heat to other rooms? We’re in NY State (way up north) and our winters can be very cold. I’m concerned about having to have the living room roasting to get the kitchen or bedrooms warm. Do you see any problems with that?

Don’t you? — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

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I work for an oil company here in Maine. We sell and install Monitors and propane units sold by Rinnai. We also repair and clean the Monitors. The "oil guys" who maintain the Monitors work full time during the summer cleaning the heaters. When us "gas guys" install a Rinnai we don’t go back. We have units that have been installed for over 7 years and are virtually maintenance free. Here are a few facts might change your mind. Monitors should be cleaned every couple of years. To do it properly can run as much as $500. If you install a Monitor, you must also buy and install a tank. If the heater is higher than the tank, You will need a lift pump. Cost: $400-$500. They typically last about 6-7 years. I think their website is rinnaiamerical.com. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Thanks for replying. You’re right about the insulation. What we probably will do is put on new vinyl siding with insulation underneath. The vinyl that is on there is about 32 years old. The insulation isn’t bad as is, but the house was built with 2×4 construction and so the insulation isn’t sufficient for electric heat.

Apart from the discussion of your heating requirement; a comment if I may. Our house is 2 X 4 and when we were building (31 years ago) I was not able, as on our first house (42 years ago), to install the insulation myself. It was therefore not done with same knowledge care and attention to the inside vapour barrier by two excellent ‘just carpenters’. The 42 year old house is still in good shape with it’s fourth owner reporting no rot and reasonable heating costs; presumably due to the original insulation and vapour barrier work. We heated that house for 11 years with an oil heater; I seem to recall that oil then cost about 28 cents a gallon! We are adjacent to the North Atlantic in eastern Canada; while temperatures here are not normally that low, it is windy and the winter lengthy. So in this all electric house our heating costs are also high; fortunately electricity isn’t too expensive; YET! And I welcome some leakiness, ventilation and air changes in order to reduce the dangers of condensation. Suggest that you get advice about adding insulation ‘on the outside’. I’m no expert but suggest it might be advisable to get some well qualified technical and locally knowledgeable advice about adding insulation to your older style home. Many/most older homes lack a vapour barrier on the warm ‘inside’ surfaces of the walls etc. So warm and therefore moist air can permeate out through the walls and condense on cold stuff within the wall; this can result in mildew, rot, wet insulation, or moisture on the inside of vinyl or metal siding. My neighbour had a whole wall rotted out on due to this and nearly ‘lost’ the end of his house! There are wood frame homes here that are over 100 years old, impossible to heat to modern levels but they have not rotted out because moisture can escape out through the old style construction. Good quality ‘oil’ based paint is said by some to be a partial vapour barrier, in comparison to ‘water based’ paints commonly used.  A suggestion anyway!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand only water source heat pumps are recommended in our area (in fact we have one in our home. We love it, but it was very expensive to install.) I don’t think it could be put in an attic, though. My understanding (and you can see I’m no expert) is that our climate is too cold for the other type of heat pump. Maybe the newer ones are more efficient. I really should do some research on that. Helene here is a good question for you… Why not a heat pump? Putting one in now, in an older home, with limited crawlspace access, so…guess where its at? The attic. The attic would be a possibility, but we don’t have gas in our area. We would need something that burns oil or kerosene. My husband has also discussed digging a partial basement big enough for a furnace for a hot water baseboard heat system. I don’t know what the cost of this would be, but it would probably give a more uniform heat and would provide hot water also. Oh decisions!! Do you have an attic? If so and there is even a few feet of headroom then it is possible to put in a gas furnace along with an AC unit. Unlikely as it seems, some manufacturers make furnaces than look like a "normal" unit you’d see in your basement but set up to lie on its side. In an attic installation, ducting is usually pretty simple. Take a look at http://www.ci.sunnyvale.ca.us/community-dev/building/furnace.pdf to see what one jurisdiction has to say about installing one. — *** E-mail return address will not work! *** Please reply in group or through my website. John McGaw Knoxville, TN, USA http://johnmcgaw.com . My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

what about propane? is it available? if not, then you are truly in the boonies! you could consider a horizontal in the attic, then central  air would be a definate and plausible possibility ductwork could be run to every room , and no more fuel oil, kerosene , smell or hassle! this year, in the midwest, propane stayed nearly steady in price at 1 dollar a gallon , many suppliers will guarantee a certain price if you sign a contract for so many gallons, usually a thousand. do you burn at least this much in oil or kerosene? finally , with propane installed, you could wean your water heater off of electric and go with gas, much cheaper to heat water and could go with a gas range, oven, further reducing your electric consumption, if you are truly in a rural area , i suspect you pay higher than average electric rates, i am an hvac contractor , if this were my home , i would look very hard at getting propane , and going with the above plan . if this were in my neck of the woods (central illinois) my best ballpark guess at doing this install would be 6 to 7 thousand , most propane suppliers will furnish the tank, copper piping and regulators necesarry to get the fuel to the outside of the foundation all you really pay for is the fuel. the equipment remains their property, unless you purchase it from them the other side to this is, if you elect not to purchase the equipment then you are bound by law to purchase propane only from the company that owns the tank, regulator ,etc, if you own the equipment then you can buy propane from whoever you choose good luck , hope this helps rich dawson

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I understand only water source heat pumps are recommended in our area (in fact we have one in our home. We love it, but it was very expensive to install.) I don’t think it could be put in an attic, though. My understanding (and you can see I’m no expert) is that our climate is too cold for the other type of heat pump. Maybe the newer ones are more efficient. I really should do some research on that. Helene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – here is a good question for you… Why not a heat pump? Putting one in now, in an older home, with limited crawlspace access, so…guess where its at? The attic. The attic would be a possibility, but we don’t have gas in our area. We would need something that burns oil or kerosene. My husband has also discussed digging a partial basement big enough for a furnace for a hot water baseboard heat system. I don’t know what the cost of this would be, but it would probably give a more uniform heat and would provide hot water also. Oh decisions!! Do you have an attic? If so and there is even a few feet of headroom then it is possible to put in a gas furnace along with an AC unit. Unlikely as it seems, some manufacturers make furnaces than look like a "normal" unit you’d see in your basement but set up to lie on its side. In an attic installation, ducting is usually pretty simple. Take a look at http://www.ci.sunnyvale.ca.us/community-dev/building/furnace.pdf to see what one jurisdiction has to say about installing one. — *** E-mail return address will not work! *** Please reply in group or through my website. John McGaw Knoxville, TN, USA http://johnmcgaw.com . My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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here is a good question for you… Why not a heat pump? Putting one in now, in an older home, with limited crawlspace access, so…guess where its at? The attic.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The attic would be a possibility, but we don’t have gas in our area. We would need something that burns oil or kerosene. My husband has also discussed digging a partial basement big enough for a furnace for a hot water baseboard heat system. I don’t know what the cost of this would be, but it would probably give a more uniform heat and would provide hot water also. Oh decisions!! Do you have an attic? If so and there is even a few feet of headroom then it is possible to put in a gas furnace along with an AC unit. Unlikely as it seems, some manufacturers make furnaces than look like a "normal" unit you’d see in your basement but set up to lie on its side. In an attic installation, ducting is usually pretty simple. Take a look at http://www.ci.sunnyvale.ca.us/community-dev/building/furnace.pdf to see what one jurisdiction has to say about installing one. — *** E-mail return address will not work! *** Please reply in group or through my website. John McGaw Knoxville, TN, USA http://johnmcgaw.com . My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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You can get an outdoor rated boiler in propane.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The attic would be a possibility, but we don’t have gas in our area. We would need something that burns oil or kerosene. My husband has also discussed digging a partial basement big enough for a furnace for a hot water baseboard heat system. I don’t know what the cost of this would be, but it would probably give a more uniform heat and would provide hot water also. Oh decisions!! Do you have an attic? If so and there is even a few feet of headroom then it is possible to put in a gas furnace along with an AC unit. Unlikely as it seems, some manufacturers make furnaces than look like a "normal" unit you’d see in your basement but set up to lie on its side. In an attic installation, ducting is usually pretty simple. Take a look at http://www.ci.sunnyvale.ca.us/community-dev/building/furnace.pdf to see what one jurisdiction has to say about installing one. — *** E-mail return address will not work! *** Please reply in group or through my website. John McGaw Knoxville, TN, USA http://johnmcgaw.com . My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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The attic would be a possibility, but we don’t have gas in our area. We would need something that burns oil or kerosene. My husband has also discussed digging a partial basement big enough for a furnace for a hot water baseboard heat system. I don’t know what the cost of this would be, but it would probably give a more uniform heat and would provide hot water also. Oh decisions!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have an attic? If so and there is even a few feet of headroom then it is possible to put in a gas furnace along with an AC unit. Unlikely as it seems, some manufacturers make furnaces than look like a "normal" unit you’d see in your basement but set up to lie on its side. In an attic installation, ducting is usually pretty simple. Take a look at http://www.ci.sunnyvale.ca.us/community-dev/building/furnace.pdf to see what one jurisdiction has to say about installing one. — *** E-mail return address will not work! *** Please reply in group or through my website. John McGaw Knoxville, TN, USA http://johnmcgaw.com . My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Do you have an attic? If so and there is even a few feet of headroom then it is possible to put in a gas furnace along with an AC unit. Unlikely as it seems, some manufacturers make furnaces than look like a "normal" unit you’d see in your basement but set up to lie on its side. In an attic installation, ducting is usually pretty simple. Take a look at http://www.ci.sunnyvale.ca.us/community-dev/building/furnace.pdf to see what one jurisdiction has to say about installing one. — *** E-mail return address will not work! *** Please reply in group or through my website. John McGaw Knoxville, TN, USA http://johnmcgaw.com .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. Just a one additional question–There are no fans or air vents or anything to carry the heat to other rooms? We’re in NY State (way up north) and our winters can be very cold. I’m concerned about having to have the living room roasting to get the kitchen or bedrooms warm. Do you see any problems with that?

There is a fan behind the heat exchanger on the unit…but as far as duct work…no..this is a free standing unit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have visited Monitor’s website, and maybe I’ll get a better idea when they send information. I really find information from people who have used or dealt with a product to be more helpful than a company’s standard info. This does sound like an economical way to go, though. Thanks for your help. Helene Monitors are good units, and they are quite popular here in NC. Most are placed in a central location like the living room, or other area central to the home..many are placed in basements when the basement if finished and they do not want to upgrade the central air system to include the living area in the basement. They are reliable..efficient…and can even be bought now at some of the big box stores, sold by mindless Borg. If you buy one, you might want to look in the yellow pages and find a local dealer…it could be a HVAC company, or even as we have here, a local appliance store thats been around since the days of Adam.. The only real issues we have seen with them are lift pumps, when the unit is mounted higher than the oil tank…replaced a few of those, and the ICB, or control board in them. The boards are a true pain to replace, when compared to some, and the trade off is that they are not really expensive….the most expensive one we replaced was around $200…that was with labor. More info can be found at http://www.monitorproducts.com/ My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Thanks for replying. You’re right about the insulation. What we probably will do is put on new vinyl siding with insulation underneath. The vinyl that is on there is about 32 years old. The insulation isn’t bad as is, but the house was built with 2×4 construction and so the insulation isn’t sufficient for electric heat. No, we don’t have wood stove. Helene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It won’t really matter WHAT you use for a heating system, unless you do something about the insulation, and any air-leaks, though. I don’t see any reason why the crawl-space/basement should be an issue, though.  You should be able to get any of gas/oil/propane furnace/boilers that go in any of closets, attics, crawlspaces, or horizontaly, and which use either forced air, or water, in pretty much any combination. I also wouldn’t leap all that fast to the conclusion that NO-ONE would rent it as-is.  Somebody obviously lived in it before, although the high electric bills might mean you’d have to drop the rent a bit. Is there a wood-stove? My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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It won’t really matter WHAT you use for a heating system, unless you do something about the insulation, and any air-leaks, though.   I don’t see any reason why the crawl-space/basement should be an issue, though.  You should be able to get any of gas/oil/propane furnace/boilers that go in any of closets, attics, crawlspaces, or horizontaly, and which use either forced air, or water, in pretty much any combination. I also wouldn’t leap all that fast to the conclusion that NO-ONE would rent it as-is.  Somebody obviously lived in it before, although the high electric bills might mean you’d have to drop the rent a bit. Is there a wood-stove? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. Just a one additional question–There are no fans or air vents or anything to carry the heat to other rooms? We’re in NY State (way up north) and our winters can be very cold. I’m concerned about having to have the living room roasting to get the kitchen or bedrooms warm. Do you see any problems with that? I have visited Monitor’s website, and maybe I’ll get a better idea when they send information. I really find information from people who have used or dealt with a product to be more helpful than a company’s standard info. This does sound like an economical way to go, though. Thanks for your help. Helene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monitors are good units, and they are quite popular here in NC. Most are placed in a central location like the living room, or other area central to the home..many are placed in basements when the basement if finished and they do not want to upgrade the central air system to include the living area in the basement. They are reliable..efficient…and can even be bought now at some of the big box stores, sold by mindless Borg. If you buy one, you might want to look in the yellow pages and find a local dealer…it could be a HVAC company, or even as we have here, a local appliance store thats been around since the days of Adam.. The only real issues we have seen with them are lift pumps, when the unit is mounted higher than the oil tank…replaced a few of those, and the ICB, or control board in them. The boards are a true pain to replace, when compared to some, and the trade off is that they are not really expensive….the most expensive one we replaced was around $200…that was with labor. More info can be found at http://www.monitorproducts.com/ My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Monitors are good units, and they are quite popular here in NC. Most are placed in a central location like the living room, or other area central to the home..many are placed in basements when the basement if finished and they do not want to upgrade the central air system to include the living area in the basement. They are reliable..efficient…and can even be bought now at some of the big box stores, sold by mindless Borg. If you buy one, you might want to look in the yellow pages and find a local dealer…it could be a HVAC company, or even as we have here, a local appliance store thats been around since the days of Adam.. The only real issues we have seen with them are lift pumps, when the unit is mounted higher than the oil tank…replaced a few of those, and the ICB, or control board in them. The boards are a true pain to replace, when compared to some, and the trade off is that they are not really expensive….the most expensive one we replaced was around $200…that was with labor. More info can be found at http://www.monitorproducts.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My brother and I inherited the family home from my parents and we plan to rent it. The problem is that it has electric heat with not the greatest insulation. The electric bills are staggering. We know that no one would be willing to pay these utility bills plus rent. There is only a crawl space under the house, so that limits the heating options unless we put in a basement. I have been hearing a little bit about the Monitor vented heating system, but wonder about moving the heat into other rooms to make a even heat throughout the house. I would appreciate hearing from anyone in this group that may have experience with this system. We don’t have natural gas in our area, so would need to use oil. Thank you for any help you can offer. Helene —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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