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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
Here in Toronto, the payback for replacing a furnace with a high-efficiency furnace can be a pretty long time compared to getting a mid-efficiency unit. However, on new construction one finds that the difference in cost is less due to the fact that a chimney need not be built. — Calvin Henry-Cotnam | "Nothing quite livens up a suburban DAXaCK associates | neighbourhood like a driveway boasting Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada | plastic milk crates loaded with crap." http://home.ica.net/~calvinhc | — John Oakley, radio talk-show host NOTE: if replying by email, remove the capital letters!
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Thank you Steve BART. I sit corrected. I got the wrong picture from reading some hvac posts 
jb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reply to: [1]"CBHVAC" Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units.. What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb
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Yeah, but I think the other guys point is that if you said "$0.92" or "92 cents" then you would have been saying 92 cents. But you wrote "0.92 cents", which literally means 92/100ths of a cent. He’s just pulling your chain.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents. You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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[ Post de-Jeopardized ] 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent. See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents.
See that word after the "0.92" in the original post quoted above? It says "cents", not "dollars". It usually pays to recheck your facts if you’re going to criticize. Ed
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Carrier and Tempstar…depending on the model, and the contractor they send out.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whichever furnace you buy… don’t buy Sears Kenmore! Sears doesn’t make any furnaces, they buy them from some other vendor. GnuPG public key at http://badtux.org/eric/eric.gpg Join The Conspiracy: http://evidence-eliminator-sucks.com
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Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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But in a place like the desert of California, where gas prices are stupid, it might pay off… our worst bill for gas there one winter broke the $200 mark.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. And in my house it isn’t . [Here in sunny Phoenix, Arizona, where even with a crappy gas furnace you won't spend more than $35 a year on heating.] GnuPG public key at http://badtux.org/eric/eric.gpg Join The Conspiracy: http://evidence-eliminator-sucks.com
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance.
How does it follow from this that 90+ furnaces are not reliable? They are perfectly reliable these days; the first couple of years maybe they weren’t.
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Hi, I think so. Still cost of repair(in case) may be higher. This Carrier one I have in my house, I can handle it myself. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. How does it follow from this that 90+ furnaces are not reliable? They are perfectly reliable these days; the first couple of years maybe they weren’t.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. Tony
Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on a 80%. Most 80% furnaces are as complicated as the 90+ units are these days. Most have draft inducers, and controls similar to 90+ units any way, so what’s the diff? Greg
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace?
In Canada?
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Hi, I am in Calgary in the middle of pump jacks and gas holes. Half city is still using water without water meters. Gas you burn may be from here. Now my gas bill is ~70.00 USD. Just had -30C weather about 3 weeks in a row. Water is cheap, ~20.00 USD for a month. No meter!(will need one by 2014). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
And in my house it isn’t . [Here in sunny Phoenix, Arizona, where even with a crappy gas furnace you won't spend more than $35 a year on heating.] GnuPG public key at http://badtux.org/eric/eric.gpg Join The Conspiracy: http://evidence-eliminator-sucks.com
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Whichever furnace you buy… don’t buy Sears Kenmore!
Sears doesn’t make any furnaces, they buy them from some other vendor. GnuPG public key at http://badtux.org/eric/eric.gpg Join The Conspiracy: http://evidence-eliminator-sucks.com
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
Did I miss something? Did he say he was in Canada? Or are you just familiar with rogers.com and knew where he was? — Tony
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Did I miss something? Did he say he was in Canada? Or are you just familiar with rogers.com and knew where he was?
The OP originated from a Canadian domain – logic dictates that they are located there, but then this is use net and on use net there is no reason to consider anything logically(;-
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What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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Really? Only 10 years? For a furnaces that has a lifetime warranty on both the primary and secondary heat exchanger?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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I live in Georgia. My high efficiency. furnace has been in since about ‘93. It’s paid for itself, not just the cost difference since I put it in. Never had to do anything to it either.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? — Tony You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? — Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units..
Sorry to disagree, but the average life of the electronics is 12 to 15 years… They only make model year electronics 5 to 7 years…Now if you don’t rathole electronics…The time will come when you cannot procure a new control board and the company will not release schematics,,,Because the board is proprietary, and they want to sell a new furnace! My last conundrum was resolved by a retired Rheem Tech up in North Dakota. He had one of those Rheem boards in his old toolbox. Caught my problem on the net and went looking to help me out! I can’t begin to tell you how much obsolete stuff I have thrown out…Just to have a need for it.But in the long haul the cost of keeping it outweighed the need for parts. 
Don Ocean Sioux Falls, SD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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Thank you Steve BART. I sit corrected. I got the wrong picture from reading some hvac posts jb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reply to: [1]"CBHVAC" Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units.. What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb
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Yeah, but I think the other guys point is that if you said "$0.92" or "92 cents" then you would have been saying 92 cents. But you wrote "0.92 cents", which literally means 92/100ths of a cent. He’s just pulling your chain.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents. You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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Really? Only 10 years? For a furnaces that has a lifetime warranty on both the primary and secondary heat exchanger?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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[ Post de-Jeopardized ] 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent. See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents.
See that word after the "0.92" in the original post quoted above? It says "cents", not "dollars". It usually pays to recheck your facts if you’re going to criticize. Ed
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LOL….not a prob.. Dont call me Bart..LOL…reminds me and everyone else about some yellow kid with an attitude..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you Steve BART. I sit corrected. I got the wrong picture from reading some hvac posts jb Reply to: [1]"CBHVAC" Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units.. What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb snip
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
Here in Toronto, the payback for replacing a furnace with a high-efficiency furnace can be a pretty long time compared to getting a mid-efficiency unit. However, on new construction one finds that the difference in cost is less due to the fact that a chimney need not be built. — Calvin Henry-Cotnam | "Nothing quite livens up a suburban DAXaCK associates | neighbourhood like a driveway boasting Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada | plastic milk crates loaded with crap." http://home.ica.net/~calvinhc | — John Oakley, radio talk-show host NOTE: if replying by email, remove the capital letters!
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Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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I live in Georgia. My high efficiency. furnace has been in since about ‘93. It’s paid for itself, not just the cost difference since I put it in. Never had to do anything to it either.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? — Tony You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
Did I miss something? Did he say he was in Canada? Or are you just familiar with rogers.com and knew where he was? — Tony
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Did I miss something? Did he say he was in Canada? Or are you just familiar with rogers.com and knew where he was?
The OP originated from a Canadian domain – logic dictates that they are located there, but then this is use net and on use net there is no reason to consider anything logically(;-
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
And in my house it isn’t . [Here in sunny Phoenix, Arizona, where even with a crappy gas furnace you won't spend more than $35 a year on heating.] GnuPG public key at http://badtux.org/eric/eric.gpg Join The Conspiracy: http://evidence-eliminator-sucks.com
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Whichever furnace you buy… don’t buy Sears Kenmore!
Sears doesn’t make any furnaces, they buy them from some other vendor. GnuPG public key at http://badtux.org/eric/eric.gpg Join The Conspiracy: http://evidence-eliminator-sucks.com
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Hi, I think so. Still cost of repair(in case) may be higher. This Carrier one I have in my house, I can handle it myself. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. How does it follow from this that 90+ furnaces are not reliable? They are perfectly reliable these days; the first couple of years maybe they weren’t.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. Tony
Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on a 80%. Most 80% furnaces are as complicated as the 90+ units are these days. Most have draft inducers, and controls similar to 90+ units any way, so what’s the diff? Greg
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace?
In Canada?
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Hi, I am in Calgary in the middle of pump jacks and gas holes. Half city is still using water without water meters. Gas you burn may be from here. Now my gas bill is ~70.00 USD. Just had -30C weather about 3 weeks in a row. Water is cheap, ~20.00 USD for a month. No meter!(will need one by 2014). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance.
How does it follow from this that 90+ furnaces are not reliable? They are perfectly reliable these days; the first couple of years maybe they weren’t.
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? — Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units..
Sorry to disagree, but the average life of the electronics is 12 to 15 years… They only make model year electronics 5 to 7 years…Now if you don’t rathole electronics…The time will come when you cannot procure a new control board and the company will not release schematics,,,Because the board is proprietary, and they want to sell a new furnace! My last conundrum was resolved by a retired Rheem Tech up in North Dakota. He had one of those Rheem boards in his old toolbox. Caught my problem on the net and went looking to help me out! I can’t begin to tell you how much obsolete stuff I have thrown out…Just to have a need for it.But in the long haul the cost of keeping it outweighed the need for parts. Don Ocean Sioux Falls, SD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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Thank you Steve BART. I sit corrected. I got the wrong picture from reading some hvac posts jb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reply to: [1]"CBHVAC" Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units.. What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb
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Yeah, but I think the other guys point is that if you said "$0.92" or "92 cents" then you would have been saying 92 cents. But you wrote "0.92 cents", which literally means 92/100ths of a cent. He’s just pulling your chain.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents. You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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Really? Only 10 years? For a furnaces that has a lifetime warranty on both the primary and secondary heat exchanger?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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[ Post de-Jeopardized ] 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent. See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents.
See that word after the "0.92" in the original post quoted above? It says "cents", not "dollars". It usually pays to recheck your facts if you’re going to criticize. Ed
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LOL….not a prob.. Dont call me Bart..LOL…reminds me and everyone else about some yellow kid with an attitude..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you Steve BART. I sit corrected. I got the wrong picture from reading some hvac posts jb Reply to: [1]"CBHVAC" Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units.. What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb snip
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
Here in Toronto, the payback for replacing a furnace with a high-efficiency furnace can be a pretty long time compared to getting a mid-efficiency unit. However, on new construction one finds that the difference in cost is less due to the fact that a chimney need not be built. — Calvin Henry-Cotnam | "Nothing quite livens up a suburban DAXaCK associates | neighbourhood like a driveway boasting Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada | plastic milk crates loaded with crap." http://home.ica.net/~calvinhc | — John Oakley, radio talk-show host NOTE: if replying by email, remove the capital letters!
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Furnaces made today have a longer life that than…the exchangers on the most basic models have a 20 to 25 year warranty, and most 90%+ units have a lifetime warranty on the HE… You are thinking straight cooling units..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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See the decimal point? It says 0.92. Not 0.092. That’s ninety-two cents.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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I live in Georgia. My high efficiency. furnace has been in since about ‘93. It’s paid for itself, not just the cost difference since I put it in. Never had to do anything to it either.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? — Tony You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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What about this reason: A 90+ % furnace costs say $ 6,000 ( Bubba’s price may be $ 15,000 ) and according to the hvac experts, furnaces nowadays last 10 years, then the higher payback from higher efficiency cannot be justified. jb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. snip Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on snip a 80%. Greg
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
Did I miss something? Did he say he was in Canada? Or are you just familiar with rogers.com and knew where he was? — Tony
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Did I miss something? Did he say he was in Canada? Or are you just familiar with rogers.com and knew where he was?
The OP originated from a Canadian domain – logic dictates that they are located there, but then this is use net and on use net there is no reason to consider anything logically(;-
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
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Whichever furnace you buy… don’t buy Sears Kenmore!
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Hi, I think so. Still cost of repair(in case) may be higher. This Carrier one I have in my house, I can handle it myself. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. How does it follow from this that 90+ furnaces are not reliable? They are perfectly reliable these days; the first couple of years maybe they weren’t.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. Tony
Bad reason. Most high efficiency furnaces are as trouble free as the 80% units. My 90+ has cost me $6.00 in parts in 10 years, for a motor capacitor, same part on a 80%. Most 80% furnaces are as complicated as the 90+ units are these days. Most have draft inducers, and controls similar to 90+ units any way, so what’s the diff? Greg
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace?
In Canada?
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Hi, I am in Calgary in the middle of pump jacks and gas holes. Half city is still using water without water meters. Gas you burn may be from here. Now my gas bill is ~70.00 USD. Just had -30C weather about 3 weeks in a row. Water is cheap, ~20.00 USD for a month. No meter!(will need one by 2014). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? In Canada?
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
So that’s the entire calculation? It doesn’t matter what the price of the furnace is? PS 0.92 cents isn’t much to get in exchange for a dollar; that’s less than one cent.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance.
How does it follow from this that 90+ furnaces are not reliable? They are perfectly reliable these days; the first couple of years maybe they weren’t.
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Maybe he lives where the heating season is very short and would never recoup the initial cost of a high efficiency furnace? — Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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Hi, The reason I chose mid-eff. was concern for reliability and maintenance. Mine was installed in ‘94 and so far no problem other than routine maintenance. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t think you need a high efficiency furnace? Let’s see. 78% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.78 cents worth of heat. 92% furnace. Buy one dollars worth of gas and get 0.92 cents worth of heat. Is it worth it? In my house it is. I am replacing my furnace / air conditioning and one of the quotes was a Comfortmaker two-stage variable DC mid-efficiency model. I like the idea of the energy savings on hydro with the high-efficiency blower and I’m wondering if any other companies have similar (80% AFUE) models. I don’t think I need a high-efficiency furnace. Does anyone know of comparable models with, say, Bryant or Amana or ??? Thanks, Trizi I do not want beautiful dreams , I want beautiful realilties.
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