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Motor for Turning Rod

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I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries.

Cabelas… http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jhtml… David "The Hamster" Malone

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I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries. Cabelas…

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jhtml… 410036&navAction=jump&navCount=5&parentId=cat20200&parentType=subcategory     Has anybody had good luck with one of these? I remember a conversation on the listserve a couple of years ago, and a number of people complained the Cabelas motor burned out after building only a couple of rods. The one I got from www.sciplus.com has lasted for 20+ rods now, and it only cost about three bucks, compared to $21.99 for the Cabelas unit.

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I got an inexpensive little number from Angler’s Workshop (about $45

IIRC). This be it: http://www.distantwaters.com/onlstore_aw/aw_displayitem.asp?cnum=DM36… 3923

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I just bought a complete sewing machine  for $5.00 at a garage sale for the purpose of building a rod turner for winding and drying. It has a variable speed controller. It will work for me Previously I borrowed the motor off my humidifier on the furnace. — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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I just bought a complete sewing machine  for $5.00 at a garage sale for the purpose of building a rod turner for winding and drying. It has a variable speed controller. It will work for me Previously I borrowed the motor off my humidifier on the furnace. — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

Micromark has a 2.5 rmp AC motor in their recent catalog, good mounting flange, power cord and switch included, for less than 10 bucks.  I don’t know if 2.5 rmp is fast enough, though Scott

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Has anybody had good luck with one of these?

Sorry. I don’t personally have any experience with these motors. I made mine from a Ducane (I think) BBQ spit motor which seems to be indestructable. David "The Hamster" Malone

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I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries. As I remember, it was ordered off the internet. Where was it purchased and how did you set it up so it would turn the rod? Willi Willi, This motor might work. http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/cgi-bin/ePages.storefront/998925602/Pr… I mounted mine on a metal bookend to make an epoxy fly turner. 1/4" Fridge icemaker tubing fits on the shaft well and is fairly rigid. try some foam water pipe insulation glued to the tubing to hold the butt end of the rod.  Maybe a v-block on the other end of the rod for support there. Hey, its just an idea. good luck. YMMV, Walter

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    Has anybody had good luck with one of these? I remember a conversation on the listserve a couple of years ago, and a number of people complained the Cabelas motor burned out after building only a couple of rods. The one I got from www.sciplus.com has lasted for 20+ rods now, and it only cost about three bucks,

Thanks, Charlie that’s what I was looking for. Put in an order. The only thing was the minumum order. I was glad to see that they have lots of "neat" stuff. I would have loved the "store" as a kid! PS I got the blank from Cabelas. Placed the order online on Saturday, came this morning. Now I’m waiting for the other componants. Willi

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PS I got the blank from Cabelas. Placed the order online on Saturday, came this morning. Now I’m waiting for the other componants.

    Sheez, I’d file a complaint. My last three orders from them have arrived in an average of less than 48 hours. That’s one nice thing about living here (that, and all this free smoke, hack hack).

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I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries. As I remember, it was ordered off the internet.

I used to use one of those gear reduction motors.  It got pretty hot and it’s not designed to turn with a lot of torque.  Of course fly rods are not what one would call a heavy load.  I finally got a barbecue rotisserie motor for $20 from Home Depot.  It is rugged and comes with a stand that can easily be attached to a wooden base.  The 4-pronged meat holder will hold a rod quite easily by using several criss-crossed rubber bands.  I’ve attached a circular foam disc to the other meat holder for use as a epoxy fly turner. Mu

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Chec that washing machine out on the front porch.  I just snagged another one as our decease hot point moved from the laundry room to appliance recyler ( they can’t be thrown in the dump any more).  It has mounting flanges and turns 2 RPM, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries. As I remember, it was ordered off the internet. Where was it purchased and how did you set it up so it would turn the rod? Willi

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I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries. As I remember, it was ordered off the internet.

I got an inexpensive little number from Angler’s Workshop (about $45 IIRC). I’m not using it right now; wanna borrow it? Joe F.

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I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries. As I remember, it was ordered off the internet. Where was it purchased and how did you set it up so it would turn the rod? Willi

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    A couple of years ago I bought some 4 rpm timing motors from www.sciplus.com. I made wood bases for them and fashioned chucks from pvc pieces and thumb screws. I ended up selling one of the motors without the base and chuck, so if you can get your hands on a motor, I’ll supply you with the other parts. Or you can just borrow my motor, if you want. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember a post here on ROFF about an inexpensive motor used for turning a rod while the epoxy coating dries. As I remember, it was ordered off the internet. Where was it purchased and how did you set it up so it would turn the rod? Willi

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Oil Burner Trouble

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Thanks for the comeback, I haven’t had a chance, to check, because it cold out, and I don’t screw up the furnace,but I think the electrodes are probably in need of adjustment,and probably the nozzle is bad. Thanks again…Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When the furnace in my old house (which was better that 15 years old), started doing something similair to what you describe.  It would start, but it wouldn’t light the fuel right away.  Took a few seconds, then a low rumble, and it would light and go.  I started smelling the excess fuel throughout the house from it.  When they came to check it, they replaced the electrodes, and the transformer/ignitor unit, and possibly the nozzle.   All was fine after that.  I don’t know what brand furnace it was, but I think most work basically the same way. It wasn’t anything fancy, but it did blow hot air when needed. Basically, maybe you’re having trouble with it lighting.  Or fuel delivery.  The electrodes and nozzle can all be fine, but if the trasnformer is getting weak, it may not be able to properly ignite the fuel. I have a 10 yr. old Trane oil burner. with a Ducane DRC- 10a,  Retention head burner.  I am noticing delayed igntion when starting, after a good POP… it runs with a good flame. Service was performed in fall, filter replaced, electrodes were suposingly all checked, nozzle was ok.  Any ideas? Thanks, Andy

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When the furnace in my old house (which was better that 15 years old), started doing something similair to what you describe.  It would start, but it wouldn’t light the fuel right away.  Took a few seconds, then a low rumble, and it would light and go.  I started smelling the excess fuel throughout the house from it.  When they came to check it, they replaced the electrodes, and the transformer/ignitor unit, and possibly the nozzle.   All was fine after that.  I don’t know what brand furnace it was, but I think most work basically the same way. It wasn’t anything fancy, but it did blow hot air when needed. Basically, maybe you’re having trouble with it lighting.  Or fuel delivery.  The electrodes and nozzle can all be fine, but if the trasnformer is getting weak, it may not be able to properly ignite the fuel. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 10 yr. old Trane oil burner. with a Ducane DRC- 10a,  Retention head burner.  I am noticing delayed igntion when starting, after a good POP… it runs with a good flame. Service was performed in fall, filter replaced, electrodes were suposingly all checked, nozzle was ok.  Any ideas? Thanks, Andy

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I have a 10 yr. old Trane oil burner. with a Ducane DRC- 10a,  Retention head burner.  I am noticing delayed igntion when starting, after a good POP… it runs with a good flame. Service was performed in fall, filter replaced, electrodes were suposingly all checked, nozzle was ok.  Any ideas? Thanks, Andy

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http://www.hagonozzles.com/tech.shtml – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 10 yr. old Trane oil burner. with a Ducane DRC- 10a,  Retention head burner.  I am noticing delayed igntion when starting, after a good POP… it runs with a good flame. Service was performed in fall, filter replaced, electrodes were suposingly all checked, nozzle was ok.  Any ideas? Thanks, Andy

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Barbecue grill propane tank

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Turn off the tank….remove it from your grill. Turn off the gas knobs on the grill. Put the tank back on your grill and open the valve Turn the gas on on the grill and try to light it and see if the problem is fixed. The new regulators have a feature to minimize gas loss in the event of a leak (or so I am told)… following the steps above will ‘reset’ the regulator. It happened to me once on my Ducane…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody know what causes the propane gas to come out of the cylinder on a barbecue grill?  Where does the pressure come from? I just had a weird thing happen to my grill.  I went to barbecue…and the burners lit and then went out.  Of course, I figured I was out of gas…so I took the cylinder off and went to have it refilled. It seemed rather heavy for being empty.  And, sure enough…it was still 80% full (by scale weight).  Once filled again, its worked fine again. I don’t think its a regular problem.  Even if it is, there’s gotta be some kind of pressure difference that FORCES the gas out of the cylinder, doesn’t there?  For instance, its air pressure that forces water out of a well tank.  Does propane work the same way? In other words, can a cylinder loose its pressure yet still have plenty of gas inside? Do you by chance have a Weber grill?  Once I lit ours and the burner barely worked.  I found out that if you turn on the burner first, and then open the tank valve, some saftey device kicks in and limits the flow of gas. This is what I did, and when I closed all valves and burners and let the thing set for a few minutes, it worked fine when I relit it.   New propane tanks will not allow the gas to flow out if you open the tank valve when the tank is not connected.   Hope this helps. Dave Regards… Trent Invention is doing the same thing over and over and over again…and expecting a different result.

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The only way your propane would refuse to come out with enough pressure is if the bottle was below zero, farenheit degrees. The interesting thing is that, when I disconnected the regulator from the tank and then opened the valve, no gas would come out.  So I figured it was empty.  When I took it to the truck rental place to be filled (that’s where I got the original fill), he found it was about 70% full.

Newer tanks have safety devices on them thet do not allow gas to come out if they are not connected to the grill. IIRC, it is valve pressure-based (not based on the coupler connection), so it will also see a connected grill with the burner valves open as a "short" to atmosphere and will not allow gas out. I seem to recall reading that it takes a few minutes to reset as well, so once you trigger it, you have to shut everything off and wait a while before trying again. BTW, my propane dealer told me that after 2001 (IIRC) they will no longer be allowed to fill tanks with the older valves (ones without this safety device). If you still have a good tank with an old valve, you are going to have to have the valve replaced and have the tank recertified. Any idea what the pressure IS?  This grill hisses as its cooking on high when you first fill the tank…but will quiet down if you cook on low heat.  But when the tank has been used for a month or so, the hissing goes away…almost like the pressure has gotten lower because of use.  I’m guessing the pressure should remain constant…regardless of the volume…especially because of the regulator.

The regulator has nothing to do with the pressure inside the propane tank, it simply prevents excess pressure from pushing too much gas to the burners, thus causing a flare-up (or worse). As for the pressure inside the tank, it will vary somewhat as the level of liquid in the tank goes down. I don’t remember all of the mathematics off the top of my head, but you will have a slightly higher pressure with a full tank than with one that’s half empty. The variation is not great, but it could be enough to cause the regulator to hiss with a full tank and stop hissing after some usage. Also, pressure will vary with the temperature of the tank. If you have your tank sitting in the sun, it will have a higher pressure (P=nRT/V). At any rate, I’ve decide that, for the next refill, I’m goin’ back to the propane dealer…and I’m gonna have him purge the tank again.

When dealing with things that could kill you if handled incorrectly, its always good to go to someone who does it for a living rather than as an aside to another, unrelated, business. —JRE—

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I had a similar experience.  I figured the last tank didn’t last as long.  When I took it off the grill and compared it to my other "empty tank" is was much heavier.  After reattaching it, it has worked fine. I don’t know if it was a regulator thing, or perhaps it has something to do with the coupling which attaches the regulator to the tank. BTW we have a kenmore grill purchased from Sears. Good luck. Rick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know what causes the propane gas to come out of the cylinder on a barbecue grill?  Where does the pressure come from? I just had a weird thing happen to my grill.  I went to barbecue…and the burners lit and then went out.  Of course, I figured I was out of gas…so I took the cylinder off and went to have it refilled. It seemed rather heavy for being empty.  And, sure enough…it was still 80% full (by scale weight).  Once filled again, its worked fine again. I don’t think its a regular problem.  Even if it is, there’s gotta be some kind of pressure difference that FORCES the gas out of the cylinder, doesn’t there?  For instance, its air pressure that forces water out of a well tank.  Does propane work the same way? In other words, can a cylinder loose its pressure yet still have plenty of gas inside? Do you by chance have a Weber grill?  Once I lit ours and the burner barely worked.  I found out that if you turn on the burner first, and then open the tank valve, some saftey device kicks in and limits the flow of gas. This is what I did, and when I closed all valves and burners and let the thing set for a few minutes, it worked fine when I relit it. New propane tanks will not allow the gas to flow out if you open the tank valve when the tank is not connected. Hope this helps. Dave Regards… Trent Invention is doing the same thing over and over and over again…and expecting a different result.

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If this is a fairly new grill/tank, it is possible that the problem is with the tank valve. The regulator will have a nipple, that when installed on the tank valve, will depress a piece that will allow the gas to flow. Removing the regulator and turning on the tank should result in no gas flow, providing everything is working the way it was designed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The interesting thing is that, when I disconnected the regulator from the tank and then opened the valve, no gas would come out.  So I figured it was empty.  When I took it to the truck rental place to be filled (that’s where I got the original fill), he found it was about 70% full. It is very unlikely that you have a problem with the propane cylinder.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody know what causes the propane gas to come out of the cylinder on a barbecue grill?  Where does the pressure come from? I just had a weird thing happen to my grill.  I went to barbecue…and the burners lit and then went out.  Of course, I figured I was out of gas…so I took the cylinder off and went to have it refilled. It seemed rather heavy for being empty.  And, sure enough…it was still 80% full (by scale weight).  Once filled again, its worked fine again. I don’t think its a regular problem.  Even if it is, there’s gotta be some kind of pressure difference that FORCES the gas out of the cylinder, doesn’t there?  For instance, its air pressure that forces water out of a well tank.  Does propane work the same way? In other words, can a cylinder loose its pressure yet still have plenty of gas inside?

Do you by chance have a Weber grill?  Once I lit ours and the burner barely worked.  I found out that if you turn on the burner first, and then open the tank valve, some saftey device kicks in and limits the flow of gas. This is what I did, and when I closed all valves and burners and let the thing set for a few minutes, it worked fine when I relit it.   New propane tanks will not allow the gas to flow out if you open the tank valve when the tank is not connected.   Hope this helps. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Regards… Trent Invention is doing the same thing over and over and over again…and expecting a different result.

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Propane in a gas grill cylinder is a liquified gas. I can’t remember the boiling point of propane at sea level, it is about -20, or -40, I can’t remember. The only way your propane would refuse to come out with enough pressure is if the bottle was below zero, farenheit degrees. It is very unlikely that you have a problem with the propane cylinder. There is a very small chance that the propane cylinder has water in it, instead of liquified propane. This would be possible if the supplier had water in his product. But, this is incredibly unlikely. I more susepct that you have something like cobwebs or bug nests in the tube to the burner bar. I had this problem when I first got my stove. Pull the burner bar, and flush out the tubes that come from the regulator. As for the simple answer. Can a cylinder lose pressure but still have gas. No. Not if the cylinder is above zero degrees F. Good luck. New one on me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know what causes the propane gas to come out of the cylinder on a barbecue grill?  Where does the pressure come from? I just had a weird thing happen to my grill.  I went to barbecue…and the burners lit and then went out.  Of course, I figured I was out of gas…so I took the cylinder off and went to have it refilled. It seemed rather heavy for being empty.  And, sure enough…it was still 80% full (by scale weight).  Once filled again, its worked fine again. I don’t think its a regular problem.  Even if it is, there’s gotta be some kind of pressure difference that FORCES the gas out of the cylinder, doesn’t there?  For instance, its air pressure that forces water out of a well tank.  Does propane work the same way? In other words, can a cylinder loose its pressure yet still have plenty of gas inside? Regards… Trent Invention is doing the same thing over and over and over again…and expecting a different result.

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Propane BBQ grill & portable fire pit: suggestions?

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Perhaps this has been covered. The best portable fire pits I have used are just old tubs from discarded washing machines. They obviously do not collapse which is their only draw back. Great, easy to start fires. And, if you add a grate on top . . . you can even cook on the darn things. — Michael

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Wal-Mart has a small propane grill for 19.99. They also sell a portable firepit in camping gear, runs around $109. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood" I’ved wanted a portable firepit for a while now, since I saw one in use at an RV park that did not provide fire rings. This is a device with legs, a base, in which you build the fire, a vertical wall of grating through which to see the fire, and a lid. You can usually remove the grate and drop the lid right on the top of the base, to smother the fire. You can usually cook on the fire after it’s burned to coals. Camping world sells one of these, for about a C-note, and it can be seen at:

http://www.campingworld.com/cgi-bin/cwbrowse?prod%sid=1004424%uid=gue… 999726 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It sells for $90, and the grill is $15 additional. It does not collapse. The failure to collapse is what kept me from buying it, since I had no space for it assembled, and had no desire to build and unbuild it. We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos,

California

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Perhaps this has been covered. The best portable fire pits I have used are just old tubs from discarded washing machines. They obviously do not collapse which is their only draw back. Great, easy to start fires. And, if you add a grate on top . . . you can even cook on the darn things. — Michael

That’s what I have seen at a lot of the festivals.  Great idea, I thought. BK

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But burn them a few times to remove the paint before cooking on them as the paint can be toxic. — "Only The Good Parts Of Time Fly By"  ken" Visit My RC Web Site  http://home.rochester.rr.com/sar/

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At our elk camp we use the rim from a backhoe as a fire ring.  It’s huge by camping standards but you could use the rim from a smaller tire depending on how big you want.  Just get a welder to cut out the inside plate (where the lug holes normally are) and use just the outer ring.  Let it cool overnight before packing it away. samg

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Well it’s a bit on the large size, but a friend showed us their fire pit and it is awesome!  Would you believe, the tub out of a washing machine!  The holes all over it makes for plenty of airflow! On the beach up here in Alaska, with the cool wind blowing, you would not believe the amount of heat!!!  I suppose if you could find a small apartment size washer and get the tub out of that!  A fire pit is another issue altogether.

I’ve seen washing machine tubs in at least a half dozen campgrounds since we started last summer. They do indeed make awesome firepits. They are too big, in my case, to carry with me. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos, California

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An old steel tire rim will do the same thing and it’s very cheap!  :)) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood" I’ved wanted a portable firepit for a while now, since I saw one in use at an RV park that did not provide fire rings. This is a device with legs, a base, in which you build the fire, a vertical wall of grating through which to see the fire, and a lid. You can usually remove the grate and drop the lid right on the top of the base, to smother the fire. You can usually cook on the fire after it’s burned to coals. Camping world sells one of these, for about a C-note, and it can be seen at: http://www.campingworld.com/cgi-bin/cwbrowse?prod%sid=1004424%uid=gue… It sells for $90, and the grill is $15 additional. It does not collapse. The failure to collapse is what kept me from buying it, since I had no space for it assembled, and had no desire to build and unbuild it. We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/

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[rearranged in chronological order] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. Hi Steve: I just purchased a portable gas grill from Wal-mart a few weeks ago.   The brand was "CharBroil" and it was $19.97 plus tax.  We have already taken it camping and used it.  It worked great and the legs come up over the top of the grill to secure it all together when traveling.  It takes up very little space, too.  We use the 1 lb. green coleman bottles with it.  Hope this helps!

FWIW Weber makes a rectangular picnic grill (not the round Smokey Joe) that is sturdier than the CharBroil and the Sunbeam. The grill is available in charcoal and propane versions. There are pics on Weber’s Website: http://www.weberbbq.com/Public_Weber/grills/portable_index.asp I had the charcoal version, which was a great grill until one of my kids took it on a campout and left it at the campsite. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  

Steve  - You might try calling the Rangers at Firestone Boy Scout Camp. It’s located just north of Brea off the 57 at Tonner Canyon.  It may have a Brea phone number or a Diamond Bar number.  It’s right about at the border between LA and Orange Counties.  If all else fails the LA Area Council BSA should have the number since it is an LA Area Council facility.  I camped up there a few years ago with my Cub Scouts during a no "real" fires period (no wood/charcoal or other similar fuels, just propane or white gas stoves).  They had some kind of a burner arrangement that hard piped about 15 feet to a hose which then fastened to a propane bottle.  The burner was then placed in a rock pile on a safe surface and used as a fire, similar to gas logs in a fire place. It looked pretty nice and was better than nothing.  They moved it from camp to camp as desired, I expect you could use several shorter pieces of pipe for easier storage and transport.  I don’t know how much propane it burned in an evening and they only used it for small groups since it wouldn’t be economical for a fire of any real size.  It would make a good starting place for developing one of your own to use with a regular portable patio fire pit.  Clearly you want your propane bottle at a safe distance. John N6NVR

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Since boat owners are faced with the same restrictions, I think you’ll find what you’re looking for in the marine market. There are a couple of brands…Magma is the most popular…and they also offered a variety of stands and mounting hardware.  West Marine and BOAT/US are the two largest retail chains, with stores all over the country. If you have trouble finding a store, call West Marine at 800-262-8464 for a catalog…they’re also a mail order company. Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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I’m assuming you are looking for something portable. Propane grills are not a problem. A fire pit is another issue altogether. I’ve a small portable propane grill that we take when we go camping. It’s made by sunbeam I think. It’ll use either the disposabel propane botles or you can hook it up to one of those coleman propane distributing trees, You’ll need to purchase a hose to connect it to the regulator though. ( I think the tree comes with one)  The tree is nice to have if you have a large propane bottle like I do.  Lantern goes on top of it, and I can run my stove and grill from it at the same time.  Walmart and or Kmart should have both the Grill and the tree . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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Hi Steve. Check Harbor Freight at http://www.harborfreight.com for a real nice outdoor fire pit / charcoal bbq.  The URL directly (I hope) to it is http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=39961 .  The list price shown is $59.99 but the paper catalog I saw just last month had it for $49.99.  We have friends who only paid $39.99 for one at a Harbor Freight store in November. As for a good propane bbq, any one that you can use at home that is small enough to be carried easily in your RV should do well for you.  You can get good ones with legs that fold up to hold the whole thing together for around $30.00.  Less if on sale.  I suggest that you DO NOT buy one from a Marine or RV store unless you want to pay two, three or perhaps even four times more than you need to! Mike, CA RVChem.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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Well it’s a bit on the large size, but a friend showed us their fire pit and it is awesome!  Would you believe, the tub out of a washing machine!  The holes all over it makes for plenty of airflow! On the beach up here in Alaska, with the cool wind blowing, you would not believe the amount of heat!!!  I suppose if you could find a small apartment size washer and get the tub out of that! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  A fire pit is another issue altogether.

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

I’ved wanted a portable firepit for a while now, since I saw one in use at an RV park that did not provide fire rings. This is a device with legs, a base, in which you build the fire, a vertical wall of grating through which to see the fire, and a lid. You can usually remove the grate and drop the lid right on the top of the base, to smother the fire. You can usually cook on the fire after it’s burned to coals. Camping world sells one of these, for about a C-note, and it can be seen at: http://www.campingworld.com/cgi-bin/cwbrowse?prod%sid=1004424%uid=gue… It sells for $90, and the grill is $15 additional. It does not collapse. The failure to collapse is what kept me from buying it, since I had no space for it assembled, and had no desire to build and unbuild it. We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos, California

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Testing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have one of those (rectangular) Weber propane travel grills. It’s GREAT! I like it better than my $750.00 Ducane home grill. Beer We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood" Before you buy.

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Ed, Take a look at the one offered by Harbor Freight which, even at full list price, is just over half the money. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=39961 . Mike, CA RVChem.net

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos, California

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Pat – We’ve used the Weber rectangular charcoal grill for years, and its still going strong, although its getting a little beat up and the handles are a little singed (Diana says I use too much lighter fluid; I say if it doesn’t look like a landing beacon, you haven’t really gotten the coals started :-)  I can recommend this as a good, functional, and durable product well worth the price. For a portable fireplace, try Pit-2-Go.  Its a steel box that folds up into about a 16 or 18 inch square about 3 inches thick.  We put regular sized pieces of firewood sized for our home fireplace in it.  Its let us have campfires in numerous places where otherwise they wouldn’t have been allowed.  I don’t have the URL, but if you go to http://www.rvclub.com there’s a link on the front page. Pat Lubbock, Texas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW Weber makes a rectangular picnic grill (not the round Smokey Joe) that is sturdier than the CharBroil and the Sunbeam. The grill is available in charcoal and propane versions. There are pics on Weber’s Website: http://www.weberbbq.com/Public_Weber/grills/portable_index.asp I had the charcoal version, which was a great grill until one of my kids took it on a campout and left it at the campsite. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…

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I have one of those (rectangular) Weber propane travel grills. It’s GREAT! I like it better than my $750.00 Ducane home grill. Beer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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Hi Steve: I just purchased a portable gas grill from Wal-mart a few weeks ago.   The brand was "CharBroil" and it was $19.97 plus tax.  We have already taken it camping and used it.  It worked great and the legs come up over the top of the grill to secure it all together when traveling.  It takes up very little space, too.  We use the 1 lb. green coleman bottles with it.  Hope this helps! Laurie David & Laurie Campbell <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 1992 Rockwood 1999 Ford Windstar

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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An old steel tire rim will do the same thing and it’s very cheap!  :)) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood" I’ved wanted a portable firepit for a while now, since I saw one in use at an RV park that did not provide fire rings. This is a device with legs, a base, in which you build the fire, a vertical wall of grating through which to see the fire, and a lid. You can usually remove the grate and drop the lid right on the top of the base, to smother the fire. You can usually cook on the fire after it’s burned to coals. Camping world sells one of these, for about a C-note, and it can be seen at: http://www.campingworld.com/cgi-bin/cwbrowse?prod%sid=1004424%uid=gue… It sells for $90, and the grill is $15 additional. It does not collapse. The failure to collapse is what kept me from buying it, since I had no space for it assembled, and had no desire to build and unbuild it. We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/

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Perhaps this has been covered. The best portable fire pits I have used are just old tubs from discarded washing machines. They obviously do not collapse which is their only draw back. Great, easy to start fires. And, if you add a grate on top . . . you can even cook on the darn things. — Michael

That’s what I have seen at a lot of the festivals.  Great idea, I thought. BK

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But burn them a few times to remove the paint before cooking on them as the paint can be toxic. — "Only The Good Parts Of Time Fly By"  ken" Visit My RC Web Site  http://home.rochester.rr.com/sar/

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The best portable fire pits I have used are just old tubs from discarded washing machines.

I saw  a neat firepit one time we were elk hunting.  Someone had taken a 55 gallon barrel and split it in half, like an upside down styrofoam coffee cup. They then cut a horseshoe shaped section out of one side. A couple of holes were cut in the top about 8 inches in diameter.  It worked pretty good.  You could turn it for windage, and the holes on top were excellent for cooking. Of course, the wash tubs and this one would probably not be great for hauling around because of the messiness.  But the tub and this one you could just leave in place at a regular spot.  Some of the manufactured ones would be better. But it did work pretty well, and radiated heat.  And would be cheap to make. Steve Your mileage may vary.   The opinions expressed by the male of this house do not express those of the management. Pride is when I know what I can do; Ego is when I need to tell anyone about it.

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Well it’s a bit on the large size, but a friend showed us their fire pit and it is awesome!  Would you believe, the tub out of a washing machine!  The holes all over it makes for plenty of airflow! On the beach up here in Alaska, with the cool wind blowing, you would not believe the amount of heat!!!  I suppose if you could find a small apartment size washer and get the tub out of that!  A fire pit is another issue altogether.

I’ve seen washing machine tubs in at least a half dozen campgrounds since we started last summer. They do indeed make awesome firepits. They are too big, in my case, to carry with me. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos, California

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At our elk camp we use the rim from a backhoe as a fire ring.  It’s huge by camping standards but you could use the rim from a smaller tire depending on how big you want.  Just get a welder to cut out the inside plate (where the lug holes normally are) and use just the outer ring.  Let it cool overnight before packing it away. samg

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Wal-Mart has a small propane grill for 19.99. They also sell a portable firepit in camping gear, runs around $109. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood" I’ved wanted a portable firepit for a while now, since I saw one in use at an RV park that did not provide fire rings. This is a device with legs, a base, in which you build the fire, a vertical wall of grating through which to see the fire, and a lid. You can usually remove the grate and drop the lid right on the top of the base, to smother the fire. You can usually cook on the fire after it’s burned to coals. Camping world sells one of these, for about a C-note, and it can be seen at:

http://www.campingworld.com/cgi-bin/cwbrowse?prod%sid=1004424%uid=gue… 999726 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It sells for $90, and the grill is $15 additional. It does not collapse. The failure to collapse is what kept me from buying it, since I had no space for it assembled, and had no desire to build and unbuild it. We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos,

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Well it’s a bit on the large size, but a friend showed us their fire pit and it is awesome!  Would you believe, the tub out of a washing machine!  The holes all over it makes for plenty of airflow! On the beach up here in Alaska, with the cool wind blowing, you would not believe the amount of heat!!!  I suppose if you could find a small apartment size washer and get the tub out of that! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  A fire pit is another issue altogether.

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We actually have one of the Camping World propane fire pits. Love it! It only weighs about 20 pounds without the gas cylinder. Flame hight is adjustable. At max burn, however, it takes about 1-pound of propane per hour so I definitely do NOT recommend running it off of your primary propane source. At first we missed the aroma of the wood smoke, but found that we could add a small pinion incense to the edge of the pit and feel "right at home." It only has problems when the wind gets over about 25 mph, but when it does that I just turn it off and go into the trailer anyway… After all, if I wanted to stay out in the wind when it is cold enough to have a fire I would use a tent instead of 4 solid walls and a roof. -Ben Weatherall  98 Chevy 1500  99 Sportsmen 2503 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts. Camping World sells a portable, propane fire pit that has a  removable grill top.  We have been buying our portable propane grills at WalMart (Sunbeam for about $25)  When a part, usually the thingie that attaches to the propane bottle, breaks, we just buy another and toss the old one.  These grills last us two years. Janet Wilder "The Road Princess" Residentially Challenged

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

I’ved wanted a portable firepit for a while now, since I saw one in use at an RV park that did not provide fire rings. This is a device with legs, a base, in which you build the fire, a vertical wall of grating through which to see the fire, and a lid. You can usually remove the grate and drop the lid right on the top of the base, to smother the fire. You can usually cook on the fire after it’s burned to coals. Camping world sells one of these, for about a C-note, and it can be seen at: http://www.campingworld.com/cgi-bin/cwbrowse?prod%sid=1004424%uid=gue… It sells for $90, and the grill is $15 additional. It does not collapse. The failure to collapse is what kept me from buying it, since I had no space for it assembled, and had no desire to build and unbuild it. We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos, California

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Perhaps this has been covered. The best portable fire pits I have used are just old tubs from discarded washing machines. They obviously do not collapse which is their only draw back. Great, easy to start fires. And, if you add a grate on top . . . you can even cook on the darn things. — Michael

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Ed, Take a look at the one offered by Harbor Freight which, even at full list price, is just over half the money. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=39961 . Mike, CA RVChem.net

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We recently found a competing product, a Coleman portable firepit/grill which (a) collapses, (b) has the grill built in.  I bought it at the campground store where we saw it, and for the purposes of this posting, I found it at an online merchant: http://globe-mart.com/outdoors/kitchen/stoves/coleman/5065-700.htm I had to remove the handle from the top of the lid in order to store it, but that’s trivial. The grate folds up, and the lid lands on the base, with the legs reversed to hold the thing together. I haven’t lit it yet. </edg —                     http://www.greenberg.org/ Past Master (1999) Charity Jarman Lodge No. 362 F&AM, Los Gatos, California

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Testing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have one of those (rectangular) Weber propane travel grills. It’s GREAT! I like it better than my $750.00 Ducane home grill. Beer We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood" Before you buy.

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  

I use a Sunbeam tabletop BBQ.  It is probably only two square feet of cooking surface, but, depending on the number of people you are cooking for, it is a very good unit.  It folds up to a small space, is all self contained.  I have had two of them in the last ten years, and I replaced the old one on the basis of looks rather than performance.  It would still probably have gone for ten more years.  They are tough. I have seen other name brand models in the same size.  But I like the Sunbeam because of the heat regulation range, and the cooking performance.  Some of the others were too hot or too cold. They are about $25, but I bought the last one for $10 on a seasonal closeout. In fact, I bought the last three, and had a couple of good Christmas gifts.  I love mine.  Although it has size limitations, it is quick, easy, and cooks good.  You might consider one for those times when you only want to cook a couple of items, and don’t want to drag out the big one. Steve Your mileage may vary.   The opinions expressed by the male of this house do not express those of the management. Pride is when I know what I can do; Ego is when I need to tell anyone about it.

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I have one of those (rectangular) Weber propane travel grills. It’s GREAT! I like it better than my $750.00 Ducane home grill. Beer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  

Camping World sells a portable, propane fire pit that has a  removable grill top.  We have been buying our portable propane grills at WalMart (Sunbeam for about $25)  When a part, usually the thingie that attaches to the propane bottle, breaks, we just buy another and toss the old one.  These grills last us two years. Janet Wilder "The Road Princess" Residentially Challenged

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Pat – We’ve used the Weber rectangular charcoal grill for years, and its still going strong, although its getting a little beat up and the handles are a little singed (Diana says I use too much lighter fluid; I say if it doesn’t look like a landing beacon, you haven’t really gotten the coals started :-)  I can recommend this as a good, functional, and durable product well worth the price. For a portable fireplace, try Pit-2-Go.  Its a steel box that folds up into about a 16 or 18 inch square about 3 inches thick.  We put regular sized pieces of firewood sized for our home fireplace in it.  Its let us have campfires in numerous places where otherwise they wouldn’t have been allowed.  I don’t have the URL, but if you go to http://www.rvclub.com there’s a link on the front page. Pat Lubbock, Texas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW Weber makes a rectangular picnic grill (not the round Smokey Joe) that is sturdier than the CharBroil and the Sunbeam. The grill is available in charcoal and propane versions. There are pics on Weber’s Website: http://www.weberbbq.com/Public_Weber/grills/portable_index.asp I had the charcoal version, which was a great grill until one of my kids took it on a campout and left it at the campsite. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…

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[rearranged in chronological order] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. Hi Steve: I just purchased a portable gas grill from Wal-mart a few weeks ago.   The brand was "CharBroil" and it was $19.97 plus tax.  We have already taken it camping and used it.  It worked great and the legs come up over the top of the grill to secure it all together when traveling.  It takes up very little space, too.  We use the 1 lb. green coleman bottles with it.  Hope this helps!

FWIW Weber makes a rectangular picnic grill (not the round Smokey Joe) that is sturdier than the CharBroil and the Sunbeam. The grill is available in charcoal and propane versions. There are pics on Weber’s Website: http://www.weberbbq.com/Public_Weber/grills/portable_index.asp I had the charcoal version, which was a great grill until one of my kids took it on a campout and left it at the campsite. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…

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Hi Steve: I just purchased a portable gas grill from Wal-mart a few weeks ago.   The brand was "CharBroil" and it was $19.97 plus tax.  We have already taken it camping and used it.  It worked great and the legs come up over the top of the grill to secure it all together when traveling.  It takes up very little space, too.  We use the 1 lb. green coleman bottles with it.  Hope this helps! Laurie David & Laurie Campbell <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 1992 Rockwood 1999 Ford Windstar

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  

Steve  - You might try calling the Rangers at Firestone Boy Scout Camp. It’s located just north of Brea off the 57 at Tonner Canyon.  It may have a Brea phone number or a Diamond Bar number.  It’s right about at the border between LA and Orange Counties.  If all else fails the LA Area Council BSA should have the number since it is an LA Area Council facility.  I camped up there a few years ago with my Cub Scouts during a no "real" fires period (no wood/charcoal or other similar fuels, just propane or white gas stoves).  They had some kind of a burner arrangement that hard piped about 15 feet to a hose which then fastened to a propane bottle.  The burner was then placed in a rock pile on a safe surface and used as a fire, similar to gas logs in a fire place. It looked pretty nice and was better than nothing.  They moved it from camp to camp as desired, I expect you could use several shorter pieces of pipe for easier storage and transport.  I don’t know how much propane it burned in an evening and they only used it for small groups since it wouldn’t be economical for a fire of any real size.  It would make a good starting place for developing one of your own to use with a regular portable patio fire pit.  Clearly you want your propane bottle at a safe distance. John N6NVR

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I’m assuming you are looking for something portable. Propane grills are not a problem. A fire pit is another issue altogether. I’ve a small portable propane grill that we take when we go camping. It’s made by sunbeam I think. It’ll use either the disposabel propane botles or you can hook it up to one of those coleman propane distributing trees, You’ll need to purchase a hose to connect it to the regulator though. ( I think the tree comes with one)  The tree is nice to have if you have a large propane bottle like I do.  Lantern goes on top of it, and I can run my stove and grill from it at the same time.  Walmart and or Kmart should have both the Grill and the tree . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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Hi Steve. Check Harbor Freight at http://www.harborfreight.com for a real nice outdoor fire pit / charcoal bbq.  The URL directly (I hope) to it is http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=39961 .  The list price shown is $59.99 but the paper catalog I saw just last month had it for $49.99.  We have friends who only paid $39.99 for one at a Harbor Freight store in November. As for a good propane bbq, any one that you can use at home that is small enough to be carried easily in your RV should do well for you.  You can get good ones with legs that fold up to hold the whole thing together for around $30.00.  Less if on sale.  I suggest that you DO NOT buy one from a Marine or RV store unless you want to pay two, three or perhaps even four times more than you need to! Mike, CA RVChem.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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Since boat owners are faced with the same restrictions, I think you’ll find what you’re looking for in the marine market. There are a couple of brands…Magma is the most popular…and they also offered a variety of stands and mounting hardware.  West Marine and BOAT/US are the two largest retail chains, with stores all over the country. If you have trouble finding a store, call West Marine at 800-262-8464 for a catalog…they’re also a mail order company. Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We need to locate a source for a propane-powered barbecue grill and a portable fire pit of sorts.  Both need to be somewhat small, as we camp using our pop-up trailer and can’t fit anything large in the trailer or our van.  We already have a two-burner range for the trailer (came with it) but would also like to be able to have a propane-powered equivalent to a charcoal grill so we don’t have to tote charcoal briquettes and deal with the ashes and such.  All suggestions appreciated. — — // Steve // Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS      Home page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs Fountain Valley, CA           AOL Instant Messaging: "stevesilverwood"

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Rotisserie Chicken Help?

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I guess we’ll just have to stick with homemade, then.  Sigh, what a hardship!  ;-)  I think I enjoy smelling it roast almost has much as I love eating it when it’s done. — Mirj, down another 1/2 a kilo today from Sunday! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Isn’t skin allowed on LC?  Please tell me yes!  It’s the best part, especially with tons of spices and almost burnt! Skin is allowed on LC, but often when you buy already roasted chicken at a supermarket or restaurant, some sugar or honey has been used in a coating for that darker brown look.  At Boston Market this amounts to about 2g carb per quarter chicken. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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I second that suggestion! I have gotten many great ideas from the boys there and adapted some q- sauces to lo-carb. I love my bbqs and I am know as the nut on the block that cooks outside in the rain. Hey ,I have an overhang and a poncho… Deb 214/143/? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you ever have time after reading this ng…:-) You might want to check out the ng alt.food.barbecue.  These guys are serious about barbecue and smoking.  I started lurking on the advice of  a fellow lowcarber and have enjoyed it immensly. Hazel Az I got a wonderful outdoor gas grill for Christmas and have already done steaks on it, delicious!  The grill has a rotisserie attachment.  Does anyone know how long to cook a whole chicken?  And do I do it on low or high or medium heat? My mouth is watering at the thought. Lauradog

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If you haven’t picked up the new Eades’ book, do so ASAP. Willy-nilly consumption of fats should be avoided…unless you don’t want to burn BODY FAT! if you allow for the skin on during the cooking process, and remove just before eating, how to you count the fat grams? Who is counting fat grams?  <smiles Seriously…I worry about carbs, I don’t count fat grams or cals. Luna

I don’t eat fat "willy-nilly" darlin’ and I eat mostly EFA and I have much better fat and protein meters that I do carb meter.  I am just not fat phobic anymore and proud of it. Balance is the key. Luna<——-her skin is much softer now that she is not fat phobic!! Luna 170/145/120 PP since 10/5/99 (and finished reading The Schwarzbein Principle) FEAR is…False Evidence Against Reality. Eat fat…it’s good for you!

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Sue, I ~love~ my George Foreman rotisserie!  DH bought me one for Xmas.  I’ll admit, it was a bit on the expensive side… and it is huge, taking up a lot of counter space.  But after cooking a chicken in that thing, it was worth every penny and every bit of space I’ve sacrificed on my counter! It has the basket like the Showtime rotisserie where you can do hamburgers and such.  I’ve only done pork chops, steak and chicken legs in the basket so far.  And you can also use this rotisserie as a spare oven- which would have come in handy if I got it before Xmas.  I am very very impressed with it.  Course, I expected to love it since I have the lean mean grill and used it all the time.  Used being the operative word.  I don’t think I’ll be using that gadget as much anymore! Tomorrow, for my end of the world celebration (hehehehe!), I’m going to cook a standing rib roast in the rotisserie and see how that fares.  My mouth is drooling at the mere thought!  :-) C-ya! Stacy (199)180/162/140 Low carb since 2/22/99 : Has anyone tried the George Foreman rotisserie?  It is huge and I : think it can hold an 18 pound turkey. : : I wanted it for Christmas but had already gotten a digital camera so I : have to wait.  I am not even sure if I have counter space. : Sue

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I almost bought the Popiel rotisserie, but couldn’t deal with the thought of giving my money to the guy who came up with the spray on hair and the vegiematic.  If you do get it, I found the best price is on the QVC web page — $139 I think. I found a Magic Chef (Maytag) Rotisserie at WalMart for $75.  Not quite as big as the Popiel, but will do 2 chickens and a 12 pound Turkey.  Works pretty well, but I did have to come up with a counterweight (an 8 inch galvenized pipe) because if the food basket was full sometimes it would slip on the gear.  But thats the only technical problem.  It can be frustrating at times to get poultry centered just right on the rods though.  I use the basket whenever the food fits. The results of the food are wonderful.  Especially for Poultry and Salmon. At times I wish it was bigger, but I really have no idea how much I will use it once the novelty wears out.  If I do keep using it, I would go for one even bigger next time.  4 chicken breasts or two salmon fillets is about all it can do in the basket, and at times I have had to fiddle with chickens or a turkey to get it "just right" so the rods adequately support the bird and nothing touches anywhere when it rotates. When doing low carb, having the best tasting, most tender and juicy meat possible sure helps.  I am still using mine 2 or 3 times a week.  Wish there was some good way to add some wood chips for smoke flavoring (I do have artificial hickory smoke that can be injected or basted that works OK though). My wife and I are just starting the Atkins induction, but kind of feel like the carbo addicts diet seems a bit more reasonable.  I think we will start with the induction diet for a couple weeks, but then introduce more carbo for just one meal a day and see how it goes.  I am mainly doing the diet for moral support for my wife.  I only need to loose about 10 pounds, but do want to get back into a very prime/lean shape like I used to be.  My wife needs to loose about 20 to 25  pounds.  I just entered ketosis, and have noticed a few headaches (not sure if its the diet or a flu as others in the family have had some heachaches as well) and an overall "odd" sensation, but tend to have plenty of energy and already have noticed an achy tennis elbow type joint ache is definately feeling better. Anyway, if you want a cheap, decent rotisserie, I can recommend the Magic Chef is a pretty good one to try out. Dave Neff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of rotisserie chicken, I got the showtime rotisserie for christmas. You probably seen the infomercial by Popiel. Well, I can honestly say it works GREAT! The chicken was YUMMY. Can’t wait to try a pork loin roast. Has anyone tried the George Foreman rotisserie?  It is huge and I think it can hold an 18 pound turkey. I wanted it for Christmas but had already gotten a digital camera so I have to wait.  I am not even sure if I have counter space. The local stores here carry both rotisseries and the George Foreman was on sale. ( still expensive.) Sue

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Speaking of rotisserie chicken, I got the showtime rotisserie for christmas. You probably seen the infomercial by Popiel. Well, I can honestly say it works GREAT! The chicken was YUMMY. Can’t wait to try a pork loin roast. Vic in NJ 247/228/160 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Isn’t skin allowed on LC?  Please tell me yes!  It’s the best part, especially with tons of spices and almost burnt! When I was little my mother used to make rotisserie chicken at home and tied the chicken up with string before putting it in the broiler for its spin.  Chewing the string was the best part, imbued with chicken flavor. My brother and I used to fight over it. — Mirj We have a Swiss takeout restaurant in several supermarkets here in Toronto. Their barbecued chicken is very good. I reheat it at  320 for at least 20 minutes in the foil lined takeout bag and remove the skin after. — Diva "Life is Beautiful"

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     I ordered the Ronco Showtime Rotisserie and even paid $18 to have it delivered BEFORE Christmas.  I’m still waiting for my rotisserie. The George Foreman grill and the Ronco rotisserie ought to make having hot LC food available even easier than having to fire up the charcoal Weber in the rain or wind. Lee Rodgers LOSE weight for LOOSE jeans.  LOSERS have LOOSER jeans. "I have to say, if your mind weren’t so narrow, your waist would be." Dr. A Read the FAQ jack   http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc The Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org Lowcarb Cookbooks   http://members.tripod.com/Dietman2/cook_bks.html

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Purist in regard to what? — Debbie Cusick "When I get a little money I buy books: and if any is left over I buy food and clothes. "  - Erasmus Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the way, I’m a purist.

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You would be better cancelling the darn thing and ordering it through QVC, it’s much cheaper.  In either case I would beon the phone finding out what the heck happened to the thing.  That is rediculous karen      I ordered the Ronco Showtime Rotisserie and even paid $18 to have it delivered BEFORE Christmas.  I’m still waiting for my rotisserie. The George Foreman grill and the Ronco rotisserie ought to make having hot LC food available even easier than having to fire up the charcoal Weber in the rain or wind. Lee Rodgers LOSE weight for LOOSE jeans.  LOSERS have LOOSER jeans. "I have to say, if your mind weren’t so narrow, your waist would be." Dr. A Read the FAQ jack   http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc The Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org Lowcarb Cookbooks   http://members.tripod.com/Dietman2/cook_bks.html

– Karen 215.5/200/150……Atkins loss – 15.5 lbs Total combined loss  62.5 lbs started 10/18/99 http://hometown.aol.com/kmo53153/bryce2.html

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If you ever have time after reading this ng…:-) You might want to check out the ng alt.food.barbecue.  These guys are serious about barbecue and smoking.  I started lurking on the advice of  a fellow lowcarber and have enjoyed it immensly. Hazel Az

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a wonderful outdoor gas grill for Christmas and have already done steaks on it, delicious!  The grill has a rotisserie attachment.  Does anyone know how long to cook a whole chicken?  And do I do it on low or high or medium heat? My mouth is watering at the thought. Lauradog

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The George Foreman grill and the Ronco rotisserie ought to make having hot LC food available even easier than having to fire up the charcoal Weber in the rain or wind. Lee Rodgers

I just received the Foreman Grill for Christmas, and have cooked on it the past three nights with good results; first night pork cutlets, second night beef steaks and tonight country style pork ribs.  I’m working on getting the times down, but, overall, they’ve all cooked well and are moist and tasty.  Also got an autographed copy of the new cookbook "The Great Prescription" by Deborah Friedson Chun. M.D.  It’s geared to lower carb cooking, and is pretty much based on The Zone diet.  Has anybody had any experiences with this book they can share?  It seems that the carb content of most of the meals wouldn’t work on induction, however, could be comatible with Atkins.  What do you think? Stavros

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i always start mine at about med high heat to lightly brown the skin and to seal in the juices. then reduce heat to med to med low- depending on the grill. just watch over it occaisionally until you understand the temps  that your rotis works best at. on my ducane, the average fryer takes about and hour to an hour and 15 min. check temps as you wish- but is done as the drumstick starts to loosen. good stuff! turkey breast is a favorite of mine- 6# roast takes about 2 hours up to two fifteen. weberbbq.com is an excellent source for ideas. have fun! tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a wonderful outdoor gas grill for Christmas and have already done steaks on it, delicious!  The grill has a rotisserie attachment.  Does anyone know how long to cook a whole chicken?  And do I do it on low or high or medium heat? My mouth is watering at the thought. Lauradog

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I got a wonderful outdoor gas grill for Christmas and have already done steaks on it, delicious!  The grill has a rotisserie attachment.  Does anyone know how long to cook a whole chicken?  And do I do it on low or high or medium heat? My mouth is watering at the thought. Lauradog

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We have a Swiss takeout restaurant in several supermarkets here in Toronto. Their barbecued chicken is very good. I reheat it at  320 for at least 20 minutes in the foil lined takeout bag and remove the skin after.   — Diva "Life is Beautiful"

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if you allow for the skin on during the cooking process, and remove just before eating, how to you count the fat grams?

Who is counting fat grams?  <smiles Seriously…I worry about carbs, I don’t count fat grams or cals. Luna 170/145/120 PP since 10/5/99 (and reading The Schwarzbein Principle) FEAR is…False Evidence Against Reality. Eat fat…it’s good for you!

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Thanks all, for the help.  Can’t wait to do a chicken on the rotisserie.  On my way to Weber web site. Lauradog

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Isn’t skin allowed on LC?  Please tell me yes!  It’s the best part, especially with tons of spices and almost burnt! When I was little my mother used to make rotisserie chicken at home and tied the chicken up with string before putting it in the broiler for its spin.  Chewing the string was the best part, imbued with chicken flavor. My brother and I used to fight over it. — Mirj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have a Swiss takeout restaurant in several supermarkets here in Toronto. Their barbecued chicken is very good. I reheat it at  320 for at least 20 minutes in the foil lined takeout bag and remove the skin after. — Diva "Life is Beautiful"

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Absolutely allowed! Love my chicken wings. Without the skin there would be nothing to them! — Debbie Cusick "When I get a little money I buy books: and if any is left over I buy food and clothes. "  - Erasmus Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Isn’t skin allowed on LC?  Please tell me yes!  It’s the best part, especially with tons of spices and almost burnt!

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Referring to chicken skin: I’m older than most of you and I remember eating chicken skin when the chicken was roasted and the skin was thin and crispy. I think they feed the birds so differently, now, that there is so much fat under the skin that I haven’t eaten it in years. Has nothing to do with lc eating and fat, merely a matter of taste. Jo NJ

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Isn’t skin allowed on LC?  Please tell me yes!  It’s the best part, especially with tons of spices and almost burnt!

Skin is allowed on LC, but often when you buy already roasted chicken at a supermarket or restaurant, some sugar or honey has been used in a coating for that darker brown look.  At Boston Market this amounts to about 2g carb per quarter chicken. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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If you haven’t picked up the new Eades’ book, do so ASAP. Willy-nilly consumption of fats should be avoided…unless you don’t want to burn BODY FAT! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if you allow for the skin on during the cooking process, and remove just before eating, how to you count the fat grams? Who is counting fat grams?  <smiles Seriously…I worry about carbs, I don’t count fat grams or cals. Luna 170/145/120 PP since 10/5/99 (and reading The Schwarzbein Principle) FEAR is…False Evidence Against Reality. Eat fat…it’s good for you!

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By the way, I’m a purist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just picked it up the other day. I belive it’s titled "Protein Power Lifeplan". x-no-archive: yes when you say NEW eades book, how new? read and post, everyday, its a commitment! (of course, everything i post is IMO so YMMV! ) rosie

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I just picked it up the other day. I belive it’s titled "Protein Power Lifeplan". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes when you say NEW eades book, how new? read and post, everyday, its a commitment! (of course, everything i post is IMO so YMMV! ) rosie

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gas grill questions

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If you are connected to a natural gas utility, I strongly recommend getting a grill that uses natural gas.  You will pay more for the grill, and you will have to pay for installation, but you will save a lot on gas costs and you will not have the headaches of 1) wanting to cook but finding your propane bottle empty, and 2) having to haul 20 lb tanks to get them filled (they weigh about 40 lbs. full.). I have a Ducan grill that I really like.  They have a great warranty: You pay $15 to register the warranty, and they replace just about any part as long as you own the grill. David Wagner — "Being unable to cure death, wretchedness and ignorance, men have decided, in order to be happy, not to think about such things." –Blaise Pascal

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If you are connected to a natural gas utility, I strongly recommend getting a grill that uses natural gas.  You will pay more for the grill, and you will have to pay for installation, but you will save a lot on gas costs and you will not have the headaches of 1) wanting to cook but finding your propane bottle empty, and 2) having to haul 20 lb tanks to get them filled (they weigh about 40 lbs. full.). I have a Ducan grill that I really like.  They have a great warranty: You pay $15 to register the warranty, and they replace just about any part as long as you own the grill. David Wagner

Thanks for the post…we’re just about to start building, and a friend had just recommended running natural gas to the grill. What model do you have?  How much did it cost?  Is there any disadvantage to using natural gas vs. propane? BTW, for others — I did web search, and came up with a page that describes the different Ducane grills:   http://www.texas.net/~sammmart/Ducane/ducane_main.html   – Tom A. ;-) I’d rather be ____  Thomas R. Arneberg   | www.mcs.com/~toma :-) Barbershop  _|   _| SGI/Cray Research    |  calendar are closer :-) Quartet!   (_)  (_) Chippewa Falls, WI   |  than they appear."

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I second that! If it’s your first grill you might want to get a less expensive grill to see if you like gas grilling (I don’t know why you wouldn’t but what the heck). Then spend the money on a premium quality grill. The difference is night and day. The deeper castings keep you from burning everything up and the quality is far superior. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    You would not need to replace the burner every three years for one thing.   The Weber also has flavorizer bars  instead of Lava/Ceramic rocks to prevent flare-ups.  The burner assembly is stainless steel and provides even heat across the entire cooking area, it also allows you the ability to use indirect grilling methods.    Any person serious about grilling owes it to themselves to check out Weber (and some of the other premium grills like Ducane, Broilmaster, etc.).  I have had numerous cheap gas grills in the past and would have to replace them every 2-3 years from wear/rust/deteriation.  The quality of the Weber and the results make the Weber a best buy, IMHO of course. Weber makes a nice unit, but you get no real advantage over the far less expensive CharBroil model.

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        You would not need to replace the burner every three years for one thing.   The Weber also has flavorizer bars  instead of Lava/Ceramic rocks to prevent flare-ups.  The burner assembly is stainless steel and provides even heat across the entire cooking area, it also allows you the ability to use indirect grilling methods.         Any person serious about grilling owes it to themselves to check out Weber (and some of the other premium grills like Ducane, Broilmaster, etc.).  I have had numerous cheap gas grills in the past and would have to replace them every 2-3 years from wear/rust/deteriation.  The quality of the Weber and the results make the Weber a best buy, IMHO of course. Weber makes a nice unit, but you get no real advantage over the far less expensive CharBroil model.

– Gary Udstrand The opinions expressed are mine only, unless you agree with me. The world is filled with willing people; some willing to work, the rest willing to let them.                                                         -Robert Frost

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Clean-up is nothing more than tossing a piece of aluminum foil over the grills while pre-heating.  This concentrates the heat on the grill, turning the scraps to ash.  Then, remove the ash with a wire brush and spray lightly with olive oil before placing the food on.

I have a Grillmaster with porcelain covered grates, and metal "briquet" layer. I am disappointed in the performance of this expensive grill as the metal briquet layer has bent form the heat, and the porcelain has come off twice.  I am very careful not to use anything harsh in cleaning the porcelain, which brings me to my question…. Would the aluminum foil trick work on a porcelain rack?

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May be purchasing a new gas grill soon, but have a couple of questions.  Which is better, porcelain or cast-iron grates? Which brands are good and which should I avoid?  I’ve looked at Sunbeam, Coleman, and a couple of others and they don’t seem to be worth their asking price. Thanks, -Joe

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Joe, I’m an avid outdoor cook.  When the weather permits, I’d guess that our grill is fired up about 3-4 nights per week.  I also am in a fortunate situation where I could buy about any kind of grill I desired without missing a meal, so my opinion isn’t tainted by the pressures of the grill’s price. I have never found a grill that I like more than the upper, or top of the line, BBQ Pro/Coleman/CharBroil as the best compromise between price and performance.  Yes- DO get the one with the cast iron grates.  Also, expect to replace the burner assembly (about $40) ever 3 years.  The CharBroils have a "U-shaped" burner assembly with a deflector above it to direct grease drippings onto CERAMIC briquettes and down into a dripping pan. The units with "H-shaped" burners permit easy flare-ups, where the covered burners seldom flare up. Weber makes a nice unit, but you get no real advantage over the far less expensive CharBroil model.  When you get a unit with the cast iron grills, coat them with olive oil before heating and the food almost never sticks. Clean-up is nothing more than tossing a piece of aluminum foil over the grills while pre-heating.  This concentrates the heat on the grill, turning the scraps to ash.  Then, remove the ash with a wire brush and spray lightly with olive oil before placing the food on. — Tom Gauldin, Raleigh NC -NetMeeting   ils.four11.com,   Live Birdfeeder Action ICQ 7022136     fax (919) 676-1404 ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/pub/users/scoundrl/ftp_anno.txt Here’s to the land of the Longleaf Pine, The Summerland, where the sun doth shine, Where the weak grow strong, and the strong grow great, Here’s to Downhome, the Old North State. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – May be purchasing a new gas grill soon, but have a couple of questions.  Which is better, porcelain or cast-iron grates? Which brands are good and which should I avoid?  I’ve looked at Sunbeam, Coleman, and a couple of others and they don’t seem to be worth their asking price. Thanks, -Joe

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Propane Gauges

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I am having my Ducane propane gas grill delivered on Wednesday (mmmm, barbeque).  Apparently the propane tank I am getting has the quick connect fitting on it. I know that you can measure how much propane is in the tank by weight but is there such a thing as a visual gauge for the tank with the quick connect fitting?  I sure would like to eliminate the guesswork as the weight thing can be inconvenient.  Where can I get this?  Is it something common at the Home Depot type stores? Thanks in advance. Marc

it is avaiable from home depot i have seen them there

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One of my tanks has a little guage on it (Don’t know how it works or how reliable it is). I’ve seen stick on guages (check your RV store) that essentially are those "mood ring" style thermometers that note that the liquid level in the tank will make it cooler than the gas part. Frankly, I just have two tanks.

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I am having my Ducane propane gas grill delivered on Wednesday (mmmm, barbeque).  Apparently the propane tank I am getting has the quick connect fitting on it. I know that you can measure how much propane is in the tank by weight but is there such a thing as a visual gauge for the tank with the quick connect fitting?  I sure would like to eliminate the guesswork as the weight thing can be inconvenient.  Where can I get this?  Is it something common at the Home Depot type stores?

Two comments: 1) for the weight method, buy a cheap (buck or two) fish scale — it’ll be close enough to tell you you need more (weigh the tank empty (before first fill) to get a reference weight). 2) Buy a second tank.  When I priced gauges, they were more expensive than a tank!  What do you prefer —  knowing that you’re almost out of gas, or always having a reserve on hand?  Propane doesn’t go bad (eg like gasoline). -trg

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You don’t even have to weigh the tank first.  There is a "tare weight" (empty weight [why don't they just call it that?] stamped on the tank (labeled tare weight). I have seen some stick on plastic gimmicks that show the level of the liquid. When you are using the tank and the fuel is evaporating, it shows a liquid line.  Just for future reference, what you are actually using is a LPG (Liquified Petroleum Gas).  In different parts of the United States (World?) it will be made up of different ratios of Propane and Butane (little pocket lighter fluid).  In really cold weather, Butane won’t evaporate, so it is used more in warmer climates. Art

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Gas Grill Information Needed

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I am looking for a really good gas grill, one where the electronic igniter will not fail after a year.  The one we have now is about a year old, and we’ve replaced the electronic igniter twice.  Now it’s failed again.  The same thing happened with our previous gas grill. So, can anyone recommend a gas grill for us? Thanks. Peggy

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I am looking for a really good gas grill, one where the electronic igniter will not fail after a year.  The one we have now is about a year old, and we’ve replaced the electronic igniter twice.  Now it’s failed again.  The same thing happened with our previous gas grill. So, can anyone recommend a gas grill for us?

Based on similar experiences, I’ve come to the conclusion that the best igniter for an outdoor grill is a plain old wooden kitchen match.

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I get the disposable Aim N’Flame lighters.  They are basically a BIC lighter with a long stem on them.  Long after the gas is gone, they will supply a good spark. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a really good gas grill, one where the electronic igniter will not fail after a year.  The one we have now is about a year old, and we’ve replaced the electronic igniter twice.  Now it’s failed again.  The same thing happened with our previous gas grill. So, can anyone recommend a gas grill for us? Based on similar experiences, I’ve come to the conclusion that the best igniter for an outdoor grill is a plain old wooden kitchen match. I have a Coleman electronic grill lighter  that I bought for about $3.50 at Big Lots several years ago. It looks a little like a soldering gun, and works kind of like a mini cattle prod.  It uses one "C" cell  battery and makes a repeating spark when you push the button.  It’s the simplest and most reliable gadget for lighting a gas grill that I have run across.  Plus, the "zap zap zap" noise is great for annoying the cat.  :-) To reply by email, remove the *NO_SPAM* from my email address.

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..actually we have a $350 Thermos grill that has worked great for the past 5 years, and the igniter has worked flawlessly. -aki I am looking for a really good gas grill, one where the electronic igniter will not fail after a year.  The one we have now is about a year old, and we’ve replaced the electronic igniter twice.  Now it’s failed again.  The same thing happened with our previous gas grill. So, can anyone recommend a gas grill for us? Based on similar experiences, I’ve come to the conclusion that the best igniter for an outdoor grill is a plain old wooden kitchen match.

"Using the hot water from the tap is as hot as you need to get it. When I take it out, I use the Clean n’ Dull from APP products. When you take it out of the water, it may be a bit slippery, but it definitely will not be too hot to handle."

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I am looking for a really good gas grill, one where the electronic igniter will not fail after a year.  The one we have now is about a year old, and we’ve replaced the electronic igniter twice.  Now it’s failed again.  The same thing happened with our previous gas grill. So, can anyone recommend a gas grill for us? Based on similar experiences, I’ve come to the conclusion that the best igniter for an outdoor grill is a plain old wooden kitchen match.

I have a Coleman electronic grill lighter  that I bought for about $3.50 at Big Lots several years ago. It looks a little like a soldering gun, and works kind of like a mini cattle prod.  It uses one "C" cell  battery and makes a repeating spark when you push the button.  It’s the simplest and most reliable gadget for lighting a gas grill that I have run across.  Plus, the "zap zap zap" noise is great for annoying the cat.  :-) To reply by email, remove the *NO_SPAM* from my email address.

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Based on similar experiences, I’ve come to the conclusion that the best igniter for an outdoor grill is a plain old wooden kitchen match.

I manage a propane plant and we sell and work on grills. I agree, a box of matches is probably the most dependable way to light a grill.

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I am looking for a really good gas grill, one where the electronic igniter will not fail after a year.  The one we have now is about a year old, and we’ve replaced the electronic igniter twice.  Now it’s failed again.  The same thing happened with our previous gas grill. So, can anyone recommend a gas grill for us?

Try Ducane, they have a web site http://www.ducane.com/ and are very good quality. I’ve had one for three years and it always manages to light ok. MartyM http://www.frontiernet.net/~martym

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Weber makes an excellent gas grill. They even make their grills so that you can use natural gas if you have it in your house. Just have to have the piping ran.

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I am looking for a really good gas grill, one where the electronic igniter will not fail after a year.  The one we have now is about a year old, and we’ve replaced the electronic igniter twice.  Now it’s failed again.  The same thing happened with our previous gas grill. So, can anyone recommend a gas grill for us?

Buy a $10 butane-fueled hand-held ignitor rather than trying to get the built in igniter to work. Buying a $1000 grill to try to get a more reliable $20 part doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Buy the grill you like for its cooking features and solve the ignitor problem with by dropping another sawbuck at Home Depot. —Jim

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I have a Ducane and it works really well.  It’s two years old. No real problems with the igniter.

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Fare seems extortionate, anyone know a cheap airline that does this route? Thanks, Ann. — Ann Skinner: Gene Transcription Lab. ICRF Oncology Unit, MRC Cyclotron Building, Hammersmith Hospital, Ducane Road, London, W12 0NN, UK.

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 Fare seems extortionate, anyone know a cheap airline that does this route?  Thanks, Ann.  –  Ann Skinner: Gene Transcription Lab.  ICRF Oncology Unit, MRC Cyclotron Building, Hammersmith Hospital,  Ducane Road, London, W12 0NN, UK.

You may want to try The AirLine. Their URL is http://www.demon.co.uk/csl/air-line/ Failing that, try the Ceefax on ITV & Ch4 – there’s all sorts of stuff there if you can spare the time to look at it. Or Saturday’s Daily Telegraph, or the Sunday Times or Exchange & Mart or even the London evening papers. Best of luck.         Rick P.         The hurrider I goes, the behinder I gets!!

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